Love Oliver Twist but how safe is it in terms of harm reduction?

[Ansel]

Loving some Oliver Twists using 3 at a time... and it saves my gums as i put it inbetween my cheek and gums. The original has a nice flavour and i think is air-cured tobacco with smoke flavouring. I understand these products are low in TSNA but they are not pasteurised though sold vacuum sealed. I love them more than some snus (heresy i know) but how good are they for me compared with Swedish snus?

[lxskllr]

I'd be concerned about sugar content. I don't know if they use real sugar, or something artificial. Otherwise, I don't have a problem with them.

[Skell18]

They do have sugar in them, I upper lip them like snus, same with the jagarpris and blue ocean cuts. No idea RE harm reduction but I do use them from time to time.

[Ansel]

The sugar content doesn't worry me. This worries me a bit, from google translate on a German site:

Health

Chewing tobacco contains tobacco-specific nitrosamines, some of which are carcinogens. There is evidence that the most common in the southern U.S. consumption of chewing tobacco is related to the development of oral cancer related.

An advantage over the smoking of tobacco, that the smoke enters the lungs, which can lead to tar deposits there.

A study by the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis, which compared 182 Kautabakkonsumenten with 400 smokers, it is concluded that through the oral mucosa, the cancer-causing substances are effective in the blood stream and thus the exposure to these substances is significantly higher in Kautabakkonsumenten than in smokers. However, the amount of pollutants in the chewing tobacco also affects how much pollutants found again later in the body eg in the commercial chewing tobacco in Germany only 1/10 of the pollutants (nitrosamines), which are included in the standard of the United States.

There was also the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis out that chewing tobacco Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) contains. Health effects of PAHs can be as eye and respiratory irritation and / or reduced fertility. Moreover, the PAHs are carcinogenic.

[pris]

I think I found the sugar content (in this case for Original) http://www.oliver-twist.dk/Webnodes/...range/Original

[Ansel]

I think I found the sugar content (in this case for Original) http://www.oliver-twist.dk/Webnodes/...range/Original

I'm not bothered about the sugar because i could always go with the more cost effective Picanells (which don't seem to taste sweet).

[pris]

Can't see on their site where they discuss curing and/or TSNAs etc.

[Skell18]

Its very low I checked the site, when you buy tin there is a code you can enter to sign up to product test new stuff from them which is cool. Ansel I wouldn't worry about it too much, the amount that gets in is so small, you breath in worse just being in a city! Just enjoy them whilst you can before the EU (or worse our government) try to force tabs on us as the only way of using tobacco!

[Ansel]

That quote above worries me though!

[lxskllr]

Chewing tobacco, at least with American brands is uniformly low in TSNAs. They're comparable to snus. I'd be more worried about the sugar. Tooth rot's no fun, and keeping a sugar compress near the gumline(where recession can reveal unenamled tooth) could lead to losing teeth, or getting unattractive patches applied.

[Ansel]

Chewing tobacco, at least with American brands is uniformly low in TSNAs. They're comparable to snus. I'd be more worried about the sugar. Tooth rot's no fun, and keeping a sugar compress near the gumline(where recession can reveal unenamled tooth) could lead to losing teeth, or getting unattractive patches applied.

Ok so i would switch to the salty Picanells. But what about the study saying tsnas stay in your blood longer than if you smoke... and what about the study on PAHs? Can you debunk them?

[Ansel]

Can't see on their site where they discuss curing and/or TSNAs etc.

Brad Rodu shows a study on their tsnas which show them as the same as snus. And if you email them to ask they will tell you they use air-cured tobacco.

[lxskllr]

Ok so i would switch to the salty Picanells. But what about the study saying tsnas stay in your blood longer than if you smoke... and what about the study on PAHs? Can you debunk them?

TSNAs are TSNAs. Anything that would apply to chewing tobacco would equally apply to snus, with only quantity being a concern. I'm not familiar with PAHs, but that quote sounds like it would apply more to smoked tobacco. I'm not sure how a product used orally would cause eye, and respiratory irritation.

[Ansel]

TSNAs are TSNAs. Anything that would apply to chewing tobacco would equally apply to snus

Thanks LX, that's what i was hoping.

[Skell18]

Ok so i would switch to the salty Picanells. But what about the study saying tsnas stay in your blood longer than if you smoke... and what about the study on PAHs? Can you debunk them?

I would rather use smokeless than start smoking again, I don't want the respiratory problems that come with smoking. Also I don't use anywhere near as many snus portions, or cuts/bites than I did cigarettes, so I would imagine that my current TSNA levels are much lower now than when I was smoking. 5 portions a day vs 30 tabs a day, snus wins every day of the week.