Snusers who dip...?

[Jwalker]

Yeah I saw a guy gutting kodiak, and some loggers can swallow dip not the juices the dip.

[ratcheer]

The smell of dip is awesome ....

But dip is really harsh on a weak stomach .... if you happen to swallow the juices you're a dead man.... did it once by mistake and my whole throat and stomach burned for like 20 minutes....

Probably it takes practice....

Really? After about a week, I almost never spit when I was dipping.

Tim

[toddzilla]

Really? After about a week, I almost never spit when I was dipping.

Tim

wow haha I have dipped on and off for about 6 months now and still can't handle the juices

[LincolnSnuff]

Yeah I saw a guy gutting kodiak, and some loggers can swallow dip not the juices the dip.

I used Kodiak Ice and Wintergreen for years while I was a smoker in situations I could not smoke. I was able to swallow the juices with no problem as soon as I built up a pocket in my lower left cheek as very little saliva was present. I don't think the juices are really that hard to swallow. I never got sick or had stomach issues with it. Now I'm sure my pancreas was not excited about it, but it worked for me.

[JustFolly]

Yeah I saw a guy gutting kodiak, and some loggers can swallow dip not the juices the dip.

I have an uncle who dips, and not only have I never seen him spit, I've also never seen him spit out the dip. I always assumed he swallowed it until I started dipping myself, but now I'm wondering if maybe that is the case. Well, I'm impressed.

Also, kinda relevant: I've never tried the Skoal Bandits, since even the full-sized dip pouches are on the weak side. But I've always wondered, how strong are they? I mean, it could have less filler, in the same way that sterks are for snus. I saw them at a store the other day and kinda wondered how they were.

[Fazer]

Really? After about a week, I almost never spit when I was dipping.

Tim

I don't spit that much when i'm dipping, sometimes i do but not that much. I've never got sick or had stomach issues with it...

[truthwolf1]

I'd recommend the following to get a good cross-section of the different types, flavors, and styles of dip:

*Copenhagen Long Cut (this is a "natural" dip, salty with no sweetness--why American tobacco companies haven't made a natural snus is beyond me)
*Skoal Wintergreen Pouches - These days, I am more apt to dip pouches just out of convenience/laziness. I find they are also less flavor-intense.
*Timberwolf Peach Long Cut - I find this one pretty unique. The first few pinches are damn good, but I couldn't use it on a full time basis. But a great example of fruity dip.

The Cope LC is quite low in TSNAs, around ~5.1ppm according to a 2008 study*. Timberwolf is also known to be low, but I've never seen a study that includes the Peach flavor. Regardless, I have a feeling that the difference between the 1-2 of snus versus 4-18 of most dip is fairly negligible compared to a cigarette. From what I've read, dip used to be considerably higher in TSNAs (like in the 20-70 range if I recall, though I couldn't cite the source off the top of my head), but that many efforts have been made over the years to reduce it dramatically.

Definitely try a pinch of some long cut. Its a cinch to work with and keep in place. Fine cut is really kinda like expert mode--think coffee grounds that don't stick together well. I find dip to be enjoyable in a different kind of way from snus. Have fun!

*Clifford Watson, et al. "Surveillance of moist snuff: total nicotine, moisture, pH, un-ionized nicotine, and tobacco-specific nitrosamines." Nicotine & Tobacco Research: Official Journal Of The Society For Research On Nicotine And Tobacco 10.11 (2008): 1645-1652. MEDLINE with Full Text. EBSCO. Web. 19 Jan. 2011.

-cybowolf

I always like this kind of info. It is true that American products have been reaching better TSNA marks. TSNA's, I believe are a big part of the odd fact that the Swedes suffer nill, if not that one case of a 80 year old lifelong snus user.

Although, one of the oddity's is the high rate of pre-cancerous lesions in Baseball players who use mainly chewing tobacco over snuff. Chewing tobacco supposedly has always had substantially lower rates of TSNA.

[c.nash]

I always like this kind of info. It is true that American products have been reaching better TSNA marks. TSNA's, I believe are a big part of the odd fact that the Swedes suffer nill, if not that one case of a 80 year old lifelong snus user.

Although, one of the oddity's is the high rate of pre-cancerous lesions in Baseball players who use mainly chewing tobacco over snuff. Chewing tobacco supposedly has always had substantially lower rates of TSNA.

Chewing tobacco basically just rots your mouth because of the sugars and sweeteners in them. It's not like dip, you will most likely lose your teeth first. Lol

[Snusdog]

This is from another thread but I wanted to add it here to this discussion for consideration

My concern with dip is the other factors that enter into the discussion. From the research that I have seen the TSNAs are higher than snus but some companies have lowered that count for their brands (still a bit higher than snus).

However for me the TSNA is only a part of the equation. I dipped for 25 years....... Copenhagen, then Red Seal, then Timber Wolf. My experience then is not with an occassional dip but constant dipping over an extended period of time (now I chain snus and have been doing so for some 4 years). Here is my concern and why I will not go back to dip

1) Dip tore my gums up to no end............. in ways that snus never has.........my gums have healed and are all but smooth now
2) Dip gave me heart burn and I could never swallow the juice..............not the case with snus
3) Their is another addictive in dip...... of something other than Nicotine that I craved even after switching to snus (my bottom lip actually craved it for about a month after making the change to snus and I could feel its absence in the snus fix.... if that makes sense)
4) Lower TSNA levels in snus compared to all dip

The point is dip and snus are not the same and the TSNA is only part of it....................there are other things going on with dip......................and that concerned me as much if not more than TSNA levels.

That said.................I know certain dip companies have become more TSNA conscious...........and that is a good thing.................however for me personally my experience with snus has made it worth the extra hassle.

My advice would be to stick with snus..........not in the "bogyman, scare tactic, your face is going to fall off if you dip" sort of way...............but just because from beginning to end the process of making snus is safer and held to a higher purity standard than dip.................but if you do decide to go with dip I would just tell you to listen to your body.................and if you start noticing anything over time with dip then reassess

Hope this helps

[nicodude]

I dip once and a while, I got into it there for a little while but got sick of it. If I'm going to spit anyway I'd much rather chew, I like the flavor alot better and it gives me something to do.