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Low TSNA levels? Please. There are many confirmed cases of mouth cancer as a result of dip. Snus? Yes, they do have low TSNA levels and are regulated. I even tried dipping for a few months and I tell you, you can taste the chemicals in the dip and it did a number on my gums. Something snus has never done for me, at least not on that scale. The only smokeless tobacco product I'm putting in my mouth is snus, case closed. -
[citation needed]Originally posted by dman21Comment
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I would like to see the sources also. I have tried to find info on dip and cancer, and almost everything I've found has been not what I was looking for. My dentist told me that the ADA did a study a couple years ago, where they studied 1500 minor league baseball players who dipped/chewed, and none of them had cancer, or even precancer, and they came to the conclusion that dip doesn't lead to cancer.Comment
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Dip causing cancer was a propaganda campaign pursued by the big cig makers. You won't hear it anymore as the big cig companies now own most smokeless.Comment
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What about people like Rick Bender? As well as countless others. Don't be confused, I am talking dip here strictly, NOT snus.Comment
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Who are these countless others? Whose to say he wouldn't have gotten cancer anyways. If it were true that dip caused oral cancer we wouldn't be able to field a baseball team let alone all the baseball teams in the world. I dipped, smoked and drank for almost 20 yrs. Now I snus. So If i ever get mouth cancer where would the blame lay? According to your irrational campaign it would most assuredly be the dip. When the fact is both smoking and alcohol even separately lead to more head and neck cancers than dip ever did...... Please come with some facts before you spread this myth any further....Originally posted by dman21Comment
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Here's another study that I have to post about once a ear when somebody goe bat sh!t about TSNA's.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892835/Comment
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... but only in propaganda campaigns that are designed to scare children and gullible adults.Originally posted by dman21
There can not be a single confirmed case of cancer due to dip, because nobody can tell where a single case of cancer really came from.
What we can do is to draw statistical comparisons between a certain number of non tobacco users and a certain number of dippers. If significantly more dippers get mouth cancer than non-dippers, say two times as many, then we can conclude that dipping promotes mouth cancer, but I don't know of any statistics that would prove such a statement.
Most that we seem to know about tobacco, or what we think is accurate science about tobacco, is indeed pure brainless propaganda, not in the slightest kind backed by science, just the ever-repeated preachings of deranged tobacco-haters.
Cheers!Comment
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With the Southern women study of snorting and dipping high tsna USA snuff there seems to be a correlation. I would much rather dip, snus, snuff tobacco with lower tsna then something in the high 100's.. but that is just me.Comment
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Those were older women, though, dipping nasal snuff in like the 60's and 70's, though, correct?Comment
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More like the 1860's and 1870'sOriginally posted by resnorComment
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Also, cancer is a strange beast. I personally believe if you're gonna get it, you're gonna get it, no matter what you do. I personally know several people my age, mid 30's, who have gotten crazy cancers, and they did nothing that would normally lead to cancer (drink, smoke, dip, etc). People always want to find a reason for something, but there isn't always a reason...and many times people find correlation when there really is none.Comment
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Yeah, I sort of agree that some people are more susceptible genetically, or something.Originally posted by resnorComment
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