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  • squeezyjohn
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    • Jan 2008
    • 2497

    Rustica twist bites ... first attempt

    Hi there - as you know I have been experimenting with home-grown tobacco in order to protect myself from the worst case scenario that snus becomes all but unavailable here in the UK.

    Anyway - snus comes in 2 types - lös and portions ... I've been experimenting with making lös with quite a bit of success and have some of the Prillan empty snus pouches to make my own portions for the times that lös is just not acceptable. Unfortunately my supply was Snus2.se and they no longer sell anything to the UK so I only have what I already have - also at 39 Krona for 200 (about £3.50 or $5.90) they are too expensive to really consider as a long term solution.

    So my third way is to make tobacco bites so as to be less messy than lös (yes I know you can buy them in the EU - but none of them are like snus - piccanell are the closest). So I've just been having a go at rolling up a twist tobacco using my colour cured rustica leaves.

    Now Rustica leaves are smaller than most other types of tobacco - here's a picture of an average sized one
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    When the midrib is removed and 3 leaves are carefully overlapped and twisted up - you get one of these:
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    this is definitely my neatest one! If the leaves have any holes in then you get raggedy bits - also they can get unwieldy if you try to roll one too long.

    Then when you cut them up the bites look like this:
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    It's bigger than an Oliver Twist - about the size of a mini-portion although you can cut them longer.

    Of course at this stage these just taste like raw (and not completely cured) rustica leaf - it's just the shape I've been learning how to get right. I will say that these little bites currently taste very fresh and tea/grass like, slightly sour with a little bitterness - and my God they pack a nicotine punch like double-barrelling Skruf Xtra Stark! Only the nicotine lasts far far longer (about 2-3 hours) - they frankly last too long for my tolerance.

    However - the plan is to take several whole twists (like in the middle picture) - and cook them exactly as if they are snus. That is to say use salt and water and cook at 80 degrees C for a couple of days and then add a sodium carbonate solution and some flavourings and glycerine to stop it drying out completely. Then hang it up until needed.

    What I hope to end up with is a twist/snus hybrid type of thing and I'll let you know how it goes!

    Cheers

    Squeezy
    Squeezyjohn

    Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!
  • whalen
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    • May 2009
    • 6593

    #2
    Squeezy - Just could not wait eh? Rustica is a mother load of Nic. I suggest looking up the Chap from the wholeleaf site, the one who posted from your neck of the woods, Notcrack, He caused a stir on that board, but he has leaf! Get some leaf from the chap, dark air, or what ever, stay away from the Turkish, no nic, and then continue with adding in your Rustica. It does take some time to cure properly. Once you secure some leaf, then you can relax a bit. You are almost there with the snus making. I also strongly suggest sourcing some Peter Stokkebye pipe tobacco for your base tobacco, they make a wonderful 702 Virginia, no topping, five different tobaccos. The Norwegian shag may suffice too, but look into the whole range of their Blended whole leaf pipe blends, the uncased ones are world class tobaccos.

    My Rustica took about 6 months in a basement to fully mature. I had a frost scare yesterday, my plants are now tall as I, 6 feet, and growing strong and still fast, I had a foot of growth in the last week. I am growing mainly a Louisiana Perique strain, and Yellow foot Orinoco.
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    • squeezyjohn
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      • Jan 2008
      • 2497

      #3
      Hi Whalen - yes you're quite right I could not keep my fingers off - but frankly I only have about 170 leaves to play with which isn't going to amount to very much anyway. Also the classic twist recipes call for you to make the twist while the leaves are still green but slightly cured so I'm doing that at the right time :-P

      I also have a rather nice sized order in with Don for some Dark Air Cured! At his prices - not the Nutcracker guy's.

      Thanks for the tip with the Peter Stokkebye - I'll have a look in to it.

      Cheers

      Squeezy
      Squeezyjohn

      Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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      • whalen
        Member
        • May 2009
        • 6593

        #4
        Squeezy - Don will get you straightened out! I hope you get past the import with no big costs. I have twenty pounds of Dark Air cured second and third priming's from him, his tobacco is at least A to AA+ grade and I could not be happier with it. I still need to get the crock going. Right now I am prepping twenty pounds of Virginia flue cured shake that he sold me for a song, bottom of a bale it was and all broken up and stemmy, but 95% usable for the wife's smokes, bout to drive me crazy picking all the lamina free of the stems though. Works out to about $2 a pound though.

        Don has added the craziest parcels of Sexy tobacco in every order he has sent, a pound of Indian Bright leaf, A pound of Izmir, a slug of Fire cured that is so smokey I have just have no idea what to do with it, but it is the finest tasting tobacco I have ever seen. The Virginia Bright leaf is as select a grade as you can get, and it smells like butterscotch.

        BTW, that is a good looking rope you made there! Let that puppy age and it just may surprise you. Aging adds a lot of taste and maturity to what seems to be sub prime young leaf. I hung up all of last years crop in a green house this year, and it has undergone the transformation I had sorely been wishing for. That barn cured stuff from all the guys at the site is at least two years old on average.
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        • squeezyjohn
          Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 2497

          #5
          Thanks - I was thinking of making about half in to ropes (good practice for me) - and then hanging it to maturity like that as it takes up way less space than leaves and will be ready for the micro bites if I need it for that but could also be ground up in to tobacco flour if I want it for snus. I know it will take some time - but at least I'm ready for what I want to grow next year!

          Cheers

          Squeezy
          Squeezyjohn

          Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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          • whalen
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            • May 2009
            • 6593

            #6
            Well I wish you the best, will help in any way. My worst fears for here, have become your reality there, I was deep stocking the freezer all morning, not that I could really afford it, but your current predicament could happen here just as suddenly! I have just about put all my contingency measures in place. Now if I could only establish if I am wise, crazy, paranoid, OCD, or my worst fear, all of the above.

            I took the crazy prices at Buysnus as a sign! Not about to pass up on a frugal move like that one. How many cans can make it over there under the radar?
            wiki "Popcorn Sutton" a true COOT!

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            • squeezyjohn
              Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 2497

              #7
              Just found this - the only YouTube I can find of the way to make twist from whole tobacco leaves ... mine are neater than his, but if you see it out to the end - he blames his son for it not being "in case" enough and then proceeds to call his grand-daughter "sir" ... what a guy!



              I love the tip that people used to age their twist tobacco in their underwear drawers to keep the moths away and then after 4 years or so they'd offer them to the neighbours!!

              I think this clip is priceless.

              PS - you can skip forward to 9 mins in if you don't just want to watch him taking out midribs!
              Squeezyjohn

              Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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              • Frosted
                Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 5798

                #8
                Pretty impressive stuff.

                So what you did was grow some tobacco, dry it and then did that?

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                • squeezyjohn
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                  • Jan 2008
                  • 2497

                  #9
                  Pretty much, yes! Only as Whalen has said - it's completely not aged yet.
                  Squeezyjohn

                  Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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                  • Frosted
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                    • Mar 2010
                    • 5798

                    #10
                    Damn - that four years is a long time.

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                    • squeezyjohn
                      Member
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 2497

                      #11
                      well - I reckon you can probably tuck in after the first year! It will get nicer after that - but if there's no alternative I would use it green! Next year I plan on growing so much that I will have enough for a years supply + clothes moths repellant for life.

                      Remember the thread about planting it in the wild (guerilla gardening style) - I've saved loads of seeds of the Rustica - and it should be enough to send out to all the UK people here if they want to have a go and see what they can do in their local scrubland and countryside! To make nice big leaves you have to pinch out the sideshoots as they grow like with tomatoes - but for snus you can pretty much grind up everything including the flowers!

                      Cheers

                      Squeezy
                      Squeezyjohn

                      Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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                      • Frosted
                        Member
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 5798

                        #12
                        ...and how long does it take to grow the leaves?
                        There are some great plots of land beside my house and I'm now interested. I've absoloutely no interest in growing my own vegetables as it's more convenient just to buy them and I ain't got the time, but tobacco......

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                        • squeezyjohn
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                          • Jan 2008
                          • 2497

                          #13
                          You've got to really start the seeds off indoors in pots or trays in March for the British climate. Nurse them on a windowsill or greenhouse through April & May and plant them out at the end of May if its a normal year (I didn't this year as it seemed so cold in may/June this year.

                          I think I underestimated the vigour with which the Rustica takes off - if I'd have planted them out at the end of may they'd probably have been fine - ripened earlier and bigger - then gone on to have given me a pretty decent sucker crop (when the plant springs up new shoots after cutting it back to the ground) - I've learnt a lot this year!

                          Apart from pinching off the suckers (side shoots), a little weeding & making sure slugs dont eat all the leaves (I use a copper ring around the plants) - compared to vegetables, the Rustica was very little work through June-July-August and then it was ready to pick.

                          Getting the seeds started is the hardest thing I think. Curing is a bit trickier than simply hanging the leaves up somewhere - although depending on what kind of space you've got it may work fine.

                          All in all its been a hobby this year - and one I also like a lot. But I think you can obsess about it as little or as much as you like - you'll probably end up with some kind of leaf as long as you get them to small pot plant stage and then plant them out.

                          Have a think about it anyway.
                          Squeezyjohn

                          Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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                          • squeezyjohn
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                            • Jan 2008
                            • 2497

                            #14
                            Well - after a mould scare with the Rustica leaves hanging in the greenhouse (it just gets far too humid at night to stop it) - I've decided to turn the lot into little pigtail twists, soak them in overproof rum for 24 hours - mainly to kill off any mould spores - but also because I liked the Kardus snus that had rum as a flavouring - and hang them back up to age in the shed rather than the greenhouse.

                            It's not what I wanted to do with the leaves - but it's about all I could think of to save the small crop from going mouldy with the facilities I have.

                            It's certainly a very traditional old way to cure tobacco though.

                            Cheers

                            Squeezy
                            Squeezyjohn

                            Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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                            • lxskllr
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                              • Sep 2007
                              • 13435

                              #15
                              Maybe you could use a dehumidifier in the future to cut down on mold.

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