Flavoring and portioning your own snus.

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  • RRK
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    • Sep 2009
    • 926

    Flavoring and portioning your own snus.

    So, it seems like this type of thing isn't really that tough. After about a week of collecting ingredients I made my first few portions today.

    The top three are all one gram DIY portions and the bottom one is a standard commercial portion. For the square ones I made a two gram portion then used the edge of the iron to cut it in half. This doesn't work very well but I think the longer portion is kinda like the 01/02 style portions so that seems pretty good to me. The DIY portions also seem a little bigger then the commercial portions but at least I have total control over that.

    I picked up a bottle of liquid stevia at Whole Foods for $8.50.
    I ordered my 4 flavorings from www.faeriesfinest.com $13.95 + $6 shipping.
    I ordered my t-sacs (size 1) from amazon.com $4.50 + $3.95 shipping.
    and 2 cans of Oden's extra sterk los from getsnus.com $6.50 + $2.95 shipping.

    I also baked some baking soda for 2 hours at 400 degrees to make sodium carbonate.

    The process was simply measuring out a gram of los on my food scale and adding 1-2 drops of stevia and 2-4 drops of flavoring. I mixed it up with a knife and used a spoon to put it in the bottom of the t-sac. Then I evened it out on the bottom of the bag and used a little portable iron that I have for bonding wood laminate. I think any iron would work.

    I have not gotten around to testing the ph of the stevia and flavor solution so I did not try adding any sodium carbonate yet. I plan on making a 10% solution with distilled water if I need to raise the ph of my flavoring solution. Then just adding the appropriate amount of drops to bring the flavoring solution up to ph 8.5.

    The only hitch I found was that using the edge of my iron made a very small seal which does not work very well for cutting with scissors. But the heat sealing works amazingly well. In the future I plan on cutting off the portion before sealing the top so that i can simply lay the iron flat and then i can make the seal as wide as I would like. Also, the sealed edges are a little crispy but I don't notice any difference in my mouth.

    I gotta say the Oden's extra sterk has some major kick. I was pacing around my house for two hours on that stuff and it seems to me a portion of this stuff can last two hours+. It also has the best straight tobacco flavor that I have had to date. I do plan on making mini's but I haven't gotten that far on my heat sealing technique.

    So far the flavors that I have tried were root beer, which i just dripped onto a General portion this morning, and lavender, which is what the two square portions are. These two flavors were great and it seems like less root beer flavoring is required compared to the lavender.

    The long portion is peach, but that one will have to wait until after dinner.

    So, for $46.65 I've got a full kit to make 90 full size portions and the bulk of that cost should last for many many cans of los in the future.

    I hope others will give this a try and maybe we can start sharing our creations with each other.
  • tom502
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    • Feb 2009
    • 8985

    #2
    Post pics.

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    • RRK
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      • Sep 2009
      • 926

      #3
      Originally posted by tom502
      Post pics.
      Sorry I had to figure out the address for this mobile me hosting service.

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      • RRK
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        • Sep 2009
        • 926

        #4
        I tried the peach after dinner and its not very peachy. I think peach may require more flavoring then the other two.

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        • SnusoMatic
          Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 507

          #5
          i have experimented with flavoring loose snus on and off for a few years but mostly just for fun. i have never tried to portion any up except for once and did not put much work into it. i use mostly loose snus so portioning was never something i cared much about.

          i too have experimented with raising the ph by using sodium carbonate that i made. i make my sodium carbonate by putting baking soda in a sauce pan and cooking on top of stove, cooking and stirring until it quits "popping". Be careful adding that to your snus. you can end up burning your lip and gum before you know it if you don't do it right. but if done right you can make some kick butt snus.

          as far as flavorings go, i never really felt like I ever got that one totally figured out. oh sure i could make some snus taste like this or that but texture would be bad or taste too strong or something... never just right.

          the best that i have ever made I did not use much flavoring but after mixing i let it age in the refrig for 2-3 days before using it. i think re-aging it is important but like i said i never was very impressed with any i fixed.

          i sort of think the best flavor type may be something other than oils. donno enough about that stuff but i planned on trying some powder flavoring some day.

          i will be reading about your efforts

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          • RRK
            Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 926

            #6
            Originally posted by SnusoMatic
            i sort of think the best flavor type may be something other than oils. donno enough about that stuff but i planned on trying some powder flavoring some day.
            The flavorings that I have are extracts. They say natural flavors with propylene glycol.

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            • Mr. Snuffleupagus
              Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 2781

              #7
              I have made and flavored my own snus. It is fun!

              http://www.snuson.com/viewtopic.php?t=5238

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              • RRK
                Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 926

                #8
                Originally posted by Mr. Snuffleupagus
                I have made and flavored my own snus. It is fun!

                http://www.snuson.com/viewtopic.php?t=5238
                Cool, looks like you have a few months lead on me. Have you continued to make it? Want to trade? What are your favorite flavors to date? Still Black Currant?

                Today I made minis. One with mandarin orange and the other with amaretto. The mandarin orange has almost no flavor. I think it will require quite a bit of flavoring. I will try the amaretto after lunch. Also, in the mini, even the tobacco taste is dramatically less. The portion still seems a bit bigger then a normal mini.

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                • Mr. Snuffleupagus
                  Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 2781

                  #9
                  I still have snus from that batch. I like it fine, but not as much as my mostly Swedish Match snusii in my rotation. I still have the prima batch to cook up, which I will do soon.

                  The flavorings I got are very subtle. I can barely notice much difference. The Black Current is the exception. It is stronger of a flavor and goes very well with the salt and tobacco IMO. But really all the flavors I have are more of an enhancer to the tobacco taste instead of what I would consider "flavored snus".

                  Edit: Sure I'll trade with you. Hit me up! And you don't need to portion anything you send :wink:

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                  • RRK
                    Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 926

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mr. Snuffleupagus
                    I still have snus from that batch. I like it fine, but not as much as my mostly Swedish Match snusii in my rotation. I still have the prima batch to cook up, which I will do soon.

                    The flavorings I got are very subtle. I can barely notice much difference. The Black Current is the exception. It is stronger of a flavor and goes very well with the salt and tobacco IMO. But really all the flavors I have are more of an enhancer to the tobacco taste instead of what I would consider "flavored snus".

                    Edit: Sure I'll trade with you. Hit me up! And you don't need to portion anything you send :wink:
                    Well if I don't portion them then they are basically just Oden's extra sterk with flavoring and sweetener. Still interested? I think so far my favorites have been root beer and lavender.

                    ...and what is snusii?

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                    • Mr. Snuffleupagus
                      Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 2781

                      #11
                      Originally posted by RRK

                      Well if I don't portion them then they are basically just Oden's extra sterk with flavoring and sweetener. Still interested? I think so far my favorites have been root beer and lavender.

                      ...and what is snusii?
                      I like Odens ES Kanel quite a bit. Root beer and lavender sound interesting to me, so yeah, still interested.

                      Snusii is the plural form of snus that I use sometimes instead of snuses or just snus. It's just made up.

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                      • RRK
                        Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 926

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mr. Snuffleupagus
                        The flavorings I got are very subtle. I can barely notice much difference.
                        I found a recipe that may help you get your flavorings up. If you want that.

                        85-99 parts tobacco
                        1-15 parts flavoring
                        1-1.5 parts sodium carbonate

                        I believe flavoring would also include salt and sweetener. Salt is usually around 3% of the total mass and I think with stevia it requires about twice as much flavor extract as compared to the sweetener. Usually 1-2 drops of stevia and 2-6 drops of extract per gram of tobacco.

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                        • RRK
                          Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 926

                          #13
                          I made some pretty nice looking minis today. The top one was a General dry mini mint.

                          For the minis it was necessary to preform small pris rather then spooning the snus in.

                          Some tips that I have discovered for heat sealing are that the amount of time you leave the iron on the material is not so important but it does require a bit of pressure. Also, you have to make sure the surface you are ironing on is completely flat. Finally, little specks of tobacco that are caught between the two layers that you are bonding will prevent the seal.

                          Oh, and a tip for using a food scale to measure snus. Don't zero the scale between putting down a paper plate and putting the snus on. The scale seems much more accurate if you just subtract the weight of the plate manually.

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                          • sagedil
                            Member
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 7077

                            #14
                            Originally posted by RRK
                            Originally posted by Mr. Snuffleupagus
                            The flavorings I got are very subtle. I can barely notice much difference.
                            I found a recipe that may help you get your flavorings up. If you want that.

                            85-99 parts tobacco
                            1-15 parts flavoring
                            1-1.5 parts sodium carbonate

                            I believe flavoring would also include salt and sweetener. Salt is usually around 3% of the total mass and I think with stevia it requires about twice as much flavor extract as compared to the sweetener. Usually 1-2 drops of stevia and 2-6 drops of extract per gram of tobacco.
                            Silly question. Are you using fresh tobacco, or using los. If using los, wouldn't it already be salted. Also, why are you messing with PH, unless you are trying to turn it into a sterk

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                            • RRK
                              Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 926

                              #15
                              Originally posted by sagedil
                              Originally posted by RRK
                              Originally posted by Mr. Snuffleupagus
                              The flavorings I got are very subtle. I can barely notice much difference.
                              I found a recipe that may help you get your flavorings up. If you want that.

                              85-99 parts tobacco
                              1-15 parts flavoring
                              1-1.5 parts sodium carbonate

                              I believe flavoring would also include salt and sweetener. Salt is usually around 3% of the total mass and I think with stevia it requires about twice as much flavor extract as compared to the sweetener. Usually 1-2 drops of stevia and 2-6 drops of extract per gram of tobacco.
                              Silly question. Are you using fresh tobacco, or using los. If using los, wouldn't it already be salted. Also, why are you messing with PH, unless you are trying to turn it into a sterk
                              I am using los but that recipe was for mr.snuffleupagus who made his from scratch. As far as ph I haven't messed with it yet. I was only planning on adding it to my flavor solution if the flavor solution has a low ph but I haven't even tested it yet.

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