Obtaining tobacco for making snus.

[RRK]

I don't know why they posted this in the exchange but...

Yes! We are launching now Export of Tobacco Leafes for SNUSS with Low Weight (5kg to 20kg) to Worldwide!

Tobacco is the only crop grown in Pakistan whose YIELD/QUALITY is well above the world average and matches the per hectare yield in the USA. Major areas of tobacco production in Pakistan FCV/VIRGINIA, RUSTICA and BURLEY Tobacco.

Moon G Traders is a reputed name in export of TOBACCO related products. We have been exporting Tobacco Leaves to UAE (For Hookah/Shishah), SWEDEN (For Cigarette, Snuss), EUROPE and USA. We have received much positive response from them. We assure you that our products are of high quality and at the competitive price. Our main products are FLUE CURED VIRGINIA (F.C.V), RUSTICA and BURLEY.

http://www.moongtraders.com/tobacco.html

NOW WE ARE GOING TO LAUNCH WORLDWIDE HOME DELIVERY OF LOW WEIGHT TOBACCO LEAFES (5kg to 20kg) AT CHEAP PRIECES.

We are looking forward to your kind & prompt reply!

Thanks and Best Regards

What do you guys think? I don't mean to discriminate against Pakistanis but would you trust ordering from Pakistan? Would anyone (maybe 3-4 of us) be interested in splitting an order?

I e-mailed them a list of questions.

[tom502]

It looks legit to me, and I'd suspect good quality. if the price and shipping is doable, and you know what you are doing, why not?

[Snusophile]

Wow, would not trust them at all. Rustica? That's one of the, if not THE strongest varieties of tobacco in the world. We're talking *shamanistic* doses of nicotine, 20 times more than your north american virginias. You could kill yourself with rustica.

I would suggest seeking out local American growers and setting something up with them. Better yet, try growing it yourself. Or buy a kit for making snus.

[RRK]

Wow, would not trust them at all. Rustica? That's one of the, if not THE strongest varieties of tobacco in the world. We're talking *shamanistic* doses of nicotine, 20 times more than your north american virginias. You could kill yourself with rustica.

Yeh but it is used for blending. They seem to offer quite a few varieties.

Flue Cured Virginia (F.C.V)
Popular name: Virginia or Cigarette Tobacco.

Chemical composition
Nicotine (%): 1.3 to 2.5
Chloride (%): 0.75 to 0.90
Reducing sugar (%): 9.0 to 16.0
Color: - Lemon, light orange, orange, deep orange.
Usage: - Cigarettes
Crop prospects: This tobacco is of neutral character and blends well with any tobacco. Over and above a large portion of production is also exported in Pakistan.

LIGHT AIR-CURED TOBACCO
Popular name: - Burley
Chemical composition
Nicotine (%): 2.5
Chloride (%): 0.001 – 0.005
Reducing sugar (%): 4.5
Usage: - Cigarettes
Crop prospects: It is used by tobacco companies in small quantities for blending purposes.

DARK AIR CURED VIRGINIA TOBACCO (DAC)
Popular name: - DV.

Chemical composition
Nicotine (%): - 0.8 to 1.2
Chloride (%): - 0.5 to 2.0
Reducing sugar (%):- 1.0 to 3.0

Usage: - Cigarettes and pipe mixtures.
Crop prospects: The crop is used by tobacco companies for blending purposes. The quality of this variety is varied these varied types of tobacco are primarily used as a blend in cigarettes and for use in pipe mixtures.

DARK SUN CURED RUSTICA TOBACCO (BLACK LEAF)
Popular name: - Naswar Tobacco, Snuff Tobacco, Chewing Tobacco.
Chemical composition
Nicotine (%): - 2.4 to 3.4
Chloride (%): - 0.35 to 0.90
Reducing sugar (%): - Nil
Usage: - Snuff
Crop prospects: It is a cash crop for tobacco growers.

SUN CURED RUSTICA TOBACCO (WHITE PATTA)
Popular name: - Chelum Tobacco, Mulki Tobacco, Naswar Tobacco.
Chemical composition
Nicotine (%): - 3.5
Chloride (%): - 0.9
Reducing sugar (%): - 2.7
Usage: - Chelum, Naswar and Cigarettes
Crop prospects: It is an important cash crop for tobacco growers for centuries.

LIGHT SUN-CURED VIRGINIA TOBACCO
Popular name: - Desi, Hookah Tobacco
Chemical composition
Nicotine (%): - 1.94 to 3.34
Nitrogen (%): - 1.0 to 2.00
Reducing sugar (%): - Nil
Usage: - Hookah
Crop prospects: This crop is grown for self use as well as commercial production in the Province of Punjab.

[RRK]

So I already got a response to my questions. He didn't really answer my question about tsna levels.

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your early response for my POST on Forum.

What are your shipping prices?
I am sending you my Price list. Frieght charges included it.

What varieties do you offer that are up to Swedish standards for snus?
Our best quality are given below for Sweden SNUSS.
FLUE CURED VIRGINIA (F.C.V)
Popular name: Virginia or Cigarette Tobacco.
Chemical composition
Nicotine (%): - 1.3 to 2.5
Chloride (%): - 0.75 to 0.90
Reducing sugar (%): - 9.0 to 16.0
Color: - Lemon, light orange, orange, deep orange.
Usage: - Cigarettes, CHEWING or SNUSS
Crop prospects: This tobacco is of neutral character and blends well with any tobacco. Over and above a large portion of production is also exported in Pakistan.

DARK SUN CURED RUSTICA TOBACCO (BLACK LEAF)

Popular name: - Naswar Tobacco, Snuff Tobacco, Chewing Tobacco.

Chemical composition

Nicotine (%): - 2.4 to 3.4
Chloride (%): - 0.35 to 0.90
Reducing sugar (%): - Nil
Usage: - SNUSS

Is 5 kilo the smallest amount that you will ship?

Yes! 5kg is smallest Weight which we are doing Export.

Do you offer samples?
Up to 50kg all Export considerd SAMPLES. But we didnt send FREE SAMPLES.

Can you provide the names of any snus companies that use your tobacco?
May be after first ORDER. But not right now it is our company Policy.

It will my pleaure for your any other Inquiery.

Thanks and Best Regards

MOON ADNAN
www.moongtraders.com
inf@moongtraders.com

Pakistan Off.
Mobile: +92 321 422 8840

Japan Off.
Mobile: +81 803 613 7962

He also sent me a price list.

PRICE LIST
1: - 5kg to 20kg Parcel.
Full Tobacco Leaves weight will be 20kg with hard paper BOX.
1kg = $US20.00
Delivery time will be taken 10 to 15 working Days via Courier Company at your Postal Address.
Payment will be Advance via any Source Westron UNION or MoneyGrame or Bank TT in our company account in Pakistan.

The site says they take paypal and visa/master card.

5kg is about 11 pounds for $20 including shipping. :shock:

[tom502]

Looks like it's $20 per 1kg, so it'd be $100+postage.

[RRK]

Looks like it's $20 per 1kg, so it'd be $100+postage.

Oh, your right except postage is included. Thats not so great. About the same as Stoker's I think.

[justintempler]

5kg of raw tobacco, 5,000 grams -> 15,000 grams of snus
15,000 grams of snus = 333.33 45 gram cans
IMO that's way too much for a DIY snuser that's never made snus before.
Learn to walk first before you start running marathons.

I am going to grow my own next year.

Before then I am going to order some tobacco from Fred Stoker and experiment with 250gram batches. (750 grams of snus)
My idea is to split each 750 grams batch in 2 when it comes to flavouring so I don't have 13 cans of lös of a flavour I can't stand or get tired of.

I got my water distiller today.
Next on the list, a conical mill coffee grinder that will serve a dual purpose, grinding coffee and grinding tobacco flour. 8)

[Snusophile]

5kg of raw tobacco, 5,000 grams -> 15,000 grams of snus
15,000 grams of snus = 333.33 45 gram cans
IMO that's way too much for a DIY snuser that's never made snus before.
Learn to walk first before you start running marathons.

I am going to grow my own next year.

Before then I am going to order some tobacco from Fred Stoker and experiment with 250gram batches. (750 grams of snus)
My idea is to split each 750 grams batch in 2 when it comes to flavouring so I don't have 13 cans of lös of a flavour I can't stand or get tired of.

I got my water distiller today.
Next on the list, a conical mill coffee grinder that will serve a dual purpose, grinding coffee and grinding tobacco flour. 8)

That's awesome! You're really making leaps and bounds. I can't wait to see how your first batch turns out.

[texasmade]

thats not to expensive and he wouldnt process the whole batch at once so he could keep it stored and do small test batches

[RRK]

5kg of raw tobacco, 5,000 grams -> 15,000 grams of snus
15,000 grams of snus = 333.33 45 gram cans
IMO that's way too much for a DIY snuser that's never made snus before.
Learn to walk first before you start running marathons.

I am going to grow my own next year.

Before then I am going to order some tobacco from Fred Stoker and experiment with 250gram batches. (750 grams of snus)
My idea is to split each 750 grams batch in 2 when it comes to flavouring so I don't have 13 cans of lös of a flavour I can't stand or get tired of.

I got my water distiller today.
Next on the list, a conical mill coffee grinder that will serve a dual purpose, grinding coffee and grinding tobacco flour. 8)

Originally I was thinking a couple of us could split an order but if its close to the same price as Stoker's then I would rather order from someone local. But, at least these guys list the nicotine content and have a variety of strains. Oh and 667 cans of portions for about 15 cents each sounds pretty cool.

What does a water distiller consist of?

[justintempler]

I'll throw out another idea if someone wants to run with it.

Make your snus with something like Garcia and Vega or Titan Phillies cigars.
Just stick with a natural unflavoured cigar.
Probably about 8grams a cigar ?
A box of 30 would get you close to 250 grams. $25-$40

You'll pay more for your tobacco that way but most of the proposed legislation exclude cigars and even specifically exclude cigars from the bans so you don't have to worry about being cutoff from your tobacco source.

[justintempler]

What does a water distiller consist of?

I got the Kenmore 34480 for under $150 delivered through ebay. It's basically a Waterwise Model 8800 without the timer.

http://www.waterwise.com/productcart...p?idproduct=24

There is no need for a water distiller to make snus. Bottled water at WalMart is cheap enough. Since I gave up CocaCola it's just something I wanted, I'll use it mostly for drinking water and making coffee. Now since I'm a coffee drinker and I have a distiller then I can spring for a coffee mill grinder that I can use for snus :shock:

If I was buying either just for making snus I would be insane for spending that kind of money just for a personal use. Somewhere in the back of my sneaky mind I've got the idea I could offer to grind other people's tobacco for a percentage of the raw tobacco. Win win for both parties.

[RRK]

I got the Kenmore 34480 for under $150 delivered through ebay. It's basically a Waterwise Model 8800 without the timer.

Oh its just for making distilled water. I thought it had something to do with steam curing.

[snupy]

Grow your own. It's easy. I thought I was going to have to trash this year's plants, because I planted too late in the season for the plants to reach maturity. However, having just checked on them, I see they are setting out flower buds, which means they are at or near to maturity. Seed is cheap.