Nasal Snuff

[sagedil]

I think we may have read some of the same reviews, as that one is on my list. Just have to wait until the first when I get paid again.

[TBD]

Sage, I'm with you. I can't handle the menthols. I haven't found one I like. I am really liking F&T. Old Paris and HDT are both awesome. Toque and Wilsons may be the only two companys I need. F&T is made by Wilsons. TOm Buck and Queens Extra are pretty good too.
I found with the Queens I don't even need a portion in the middle of the night. Just a nose full of snuff and back to sleep. Faster and healthier than a smoke.

[bearcat87]

When I first tried snuff I hated the menthol but not thats pretty much all I use. Gawaith(sp) Apricot is my favorite. Though I usually leave the container open for about 4 hours to let it dry out a bit. If this stuff was finer it would be perfect IMO. The menthol just clears out my sinuses. I can do it all day and wake up in the morning without little if any congestion. With the non-menthol I wake up with a dry mouth because my nose was snuffed up and I had to breath out my nose.

[sagedil]

bearcat87, that's interesting as I have found snuff to not cause any congestion, if anything, it just seems to clear it all out. Especially with the FUBAR, 15 minutes in my nose, and everything was liquefying and I MUST go blow my nose, or swallow it all which I'd rather not do.

I will keep the menthol on hand, At least I know what to do if I do start getting any congestion issues.

And TBD, the Wilsons os on my list for my 4th order. Next one will probably be just from Toque.

[ponysoprano]

Oh Man! you guys have to try Toque champagne! that stuff is insane!! I think Roderick is a modern day alchemist, instead of turning lead into gold, he turns tobacco into orgasmic nasal joy.

:shock:

[sagedil]

That one is definitely on my list.

So, playing a bit more.

I used the Dholakia Swiss Chocolate a bunch last night. VERY smooth, really no burn whatsoever and a definitely chocolate taste. I like it, but it does leave me a bit wanting. I have played with mixing it with the Toque Whiskey and Honey, and I LOVE that mix, what I am using at work today.

Last night, I also broke into the Rooster Scotch Snuff. This stuff is really good, but I can't use it that long before it starts becoming a little overwhelming. Even at bullet doses, it's still almost too strong for me so far. I know that will change, and expect that this will become a favorite.

So playing with the bullet, I have discovered that if I go through the motions twice and turn the little handle two times, I get a bigger dose. This has been useful. But today, rather suddenly, the bullet has not been giving me enough, so for that last hour, I am just using it to pour some out onto the back of my hand. Even using it this way though is much cleaner then I was doing before with the pinching, plus I know it won't open on me like a smash box.

I am in love with this whole snuff thing. I find it is interesting that, with my snus use, I have almost completely stopped using flavored snus. But with snuff, i am loving the flavors. And I suppose with los, i could mix and match, but I don't use Los, so I love being able to play and make my own custom mixes.

All in all, I am so grateful to Roderick for coming in here and giving us all a kick about trying out the snuff, and the folks who came before me who so encouraged me to try it to. I hope my incessant ramblings about it gives someone else the push to try it too. I really think snuff is the perfect compliment to snus.

[bearcat87]

Oh Man! you guys have to try Toque champagne! that stuff is insane!! I think Roderick is a modern day alchemist, instead of turning lead into gold, he turns tobacco into orgasmic nasal joy.

:shock:

Can you elaborate on the flavor of Toque champagne? I don't remember seeing this one but it sounds interesting!

[ponysoprano]

Oh Man! you guys have to try Toque champagne! that stuff is insane!! I think Roderick is a modern day alchemist, instead of turning lead into gold, he turns tobacco into orgasmic nasal joy.

:shock:

Can you elaborate on the flavor of Toque champagne? I don't remember seeing this one but it sounds interesting!

Yes, it smells just like champagne!! It's crazy, it almost has bubbles, like its namesake. It quite literally almost feels carbonated in the nose. I don't like wine, but I do like the taste and smell of champagne, and like many of Roderick's Toque flavors, this one is right on the money, incredibly accurate, how the hell does he make powdered tobacco taste/smell like champagne??

btw on the snuff tip....FUBAR shot of rum is dope, very good stuff.

[Premium Parrots]

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lol

[sagedil]

Very funny.

I haven't even tried Champagne yet, I am ordering that, the bourbon, blueberry, and maybe one more today. So you will have to wait for my wonderful and loquacious words. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Doc]

Alright, I'm going to be the dick that screws up this whole party that you have going on on this post. I am also awayre that there are suppliers contributing to this conversation so I am going to possibly offend a number of people at once. Ohwell.
For me the whole point of snus is to get what we want without the whole death/cancer thing. If you've followed the health discussion stuff we all know that the low TSNA levels of snus are probably the main factor in the negligible health consequences. Up until a few days ago I has a tin on dry snuff and enjoyed it. But then I read that for some reason the levels of TSNA's in dry snuff were still really high, 60ish ppm depending on brand. Remember snus is 1-2ppm, and the old wet snuff was 100-300ppm. Every smokeless tobacco product has lowered their levels to moslty 10ppm or less. I don't understand why dry snuff is still way up there.
If I am wrong, and the dry snuff industry has dropped their levels as well I'd love to know about that, but for now my dry snuff is in the trash RIP.

[sagedil]

You are right. A quick scan of the literature clearly shows there is risks to snuff, probably still far lower then inhaling burned tobacco. But not negligible by any means. And dry snuff perhaps more dangerous than moist snuff.

But I didn't start using snus for health reasons. I started because it was a fra better way to manage my nicotine uptake, and one I could do while I was at work, on a plane,etc. And I was suddenly dating and simply too many woman won't date a smoker. If I get health benefits out of this switch, all the better, but they never were a factor in my switch to snus.

Thus, if I like snuff and I do, and I get cancer. oh well. Clearly, fear of cancer wasn't an issue in my 30 years of smoking cigarettes.

But you do what you need to do.

[deebocools]

well, though TSNAs are higher in nasal snuff, TSNA doesn't necessarily equal "instant-cancer". Even if the TSNAs are higher, wouldn't it effect the nose differently than the mouth? what about the fact that far less total tobacco is used in a snuffer than a snuser? why has there not been nasal snuffers coming forward with missing noses? because over 300 years, it's demonstratably less harmful than cigs. less harmful than snus? yes, I really believe so, because the tobacco never comes in contact with your mouth, and so little is used, as compared to a soggy tobacco bag sitting in your gumline all the time.

you bring up an interesting point but there's much more to it

[sychodelix]

Yeah, there's been no real cases of anybody having any harm from nasal snuff. I think there was one, but it was really suspect. Even if it was true, out of all of the people that have used it for hundreds of years, one isn't much.

[Doc]

I just have to dissagree with the notion that dry snuff has caused few if any deaths. I think there is enough evidence to suggest that nasal snuff is more dangerous than moist snuff, and that moist snuff is more dangerous than snus.
Using the model that TSNA's play a strong role in cancer rates we would expect to see cancer rates of dry snuff to be 4-7 times higher than moist snuff as the TSNA levels for moist snuff seem to range from 7-11ppm and dry snuff 50-68ppm. If we devide the averages (moist 9.5ppm) and (dry 59ppm) we get a ratio of 6.21.
What a 2002 metastudy (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0625064640.htm)found was a relative risk rate for moist snuff of .7 and 4.0 for dry. Devide those two and you get an increased risk rate of 5.71.

This data supports two claims: 1. Dry snuff is more carcinogenic than moist snuf (5 times). 2. TSNA's are a good predictor of carcinogenic effects of various products.

Sorry to go all "scientific" on everyone, but it is my real hope that most of the people reading this forum will steadily move from more harmful forms of tobacco to less harmful foms. Cancer is just one of the harms to be avoided. Dry snuff, everyone agrees, screws up you nose over time.

I was surprised to learn that Redman Chew has the lowest levels of TSNA's for American Chewing tobacco and that Redman is owned by Sweedish Match!
I was also surpised to see that Camel Snus is even lower in TSNA's (by a little bit) than most Sweedish Snus. I know most of you frown on the stuff but I am glad to see that they are going national with their marketing. Little refrigerators are showing up everywhere near where I live.