e cigs extremely deadly dont fool yourself

[precious007]

e-cigs are not even the real experience if we'd compare them to smokes -

it's nothing even near cigarettes, they taste awful, they make your throat soar and top it they expensive and now it comes up that they're deadly -

I'd rather stay away from such nicotine delivery devices.

Snus is so much better and safer than anything else so why risk it?

e-cigs taste more like hookah IMO

[spinyeel]

I think E-Cigs should not even rate a mention on a gentleman's Snus forum.Tut Tut!

[chainsnuser]

Doctors made smoking socially acceptable, they even promoted it as healthy.

Doctors turned smokeless tobacco into a niche product and said that it's unhealthy in many regards.

Doctors now are trying to trick people to think that e-cigs are unhealthy.

And of course, everything a doctor says can be excused by the fact that he or she has been fooled by tobacco companies. Hahaha!

Yeah, I can't help but to give a shit on what doctors say. I have the greatest respect for the special skills of physical doctors, namely to cure diseases (to their best knowledge), but I don't think that they're experts when it comes to the prevention of diseases. It's neither in their business nor in their education. Yet they seemingly think they're experts for everything.

Don't get me wrong, I personally find e-cigs as unappealing as it gets. I've never taken a single puff from such a device and before I'd do, I'd rather smoke a real cigarette again after (now) more than 4 years smoke free.

But these devices help many people to quit cigarettes, people who (for what crazy reason ever) are hesitant to try snus (or any other kind of smokeless tobacco). It's not our business to make fun about e-cig users or to replicate the anti-e-cig-propaganda, which is surely financed by tax money from the pharma industry and cigarette companies. E-cig-users are our natural allies against the anti-tobacco-nazis. Most of them are pretty brainwashed (otherwise they would rather try smokeless tobacco than such a freaky vaporizing device) but after all they are using a tobacco product (highly altered, of course, and probably contaminated with unknown chemicals).

Well, just my thoughts.

Cheers!

[slipmeamickyyo]

Ok i partialy agree with some of whats been said not all let me clarify. I alson think adults should educate themselves and be able to consume anything they choose including meth and also agree that real truthful warnings should ne on things known to be poison. However i disgress that i have a few problems with whats been said here, and also want to note id be discusted if they were allowed to sell antifreeze containing sodas EVEN if labled as such.
Also thete is no anti ecig propaganda its fact that they contain numerous carcinogens its not funded by any anti anything its what fda truthfully found in them

[VocalEK]

How many died?

In re: Title of this thread -- Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until someone has died before labeling an entire line of products "deadly"?

I hardly know where to start. I guess, let's just take the OP sentence by sentence.

Im discusted this shit has been given out for free and even promoted on tv like fox news (surprise) as a completely safe vaporization product safe enough even for kids.

a) It's unfortunate that your first introduction to the product was via one of the flim-flam companies. On E-cigarette-forum.com, folks are advised to avoid so-called free trials, because they most often turn out to be anything but free. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...ee-trials.html
b) There are many cleverly-disguised advertisements on the web that appear to be news items. Fox News doesn't promote electronic cigarettes. Here is an example: http://adphealthinsights.com/are-ele...hy/index4b.php
c) Safe enough for kids? Where did you see that? Reputable e-cigarette vendors refuse to sell to anyone under the legal age for smoking.

Well well well i knew it-i was sent one for free an me my wife and friend took one puff and all agreed it taste like death.

Like regular cigarettes, electronic cigarette liquids and pre-filled cartridges are available in a wide variety of flavors and nicotine strengths. And like regular cigarettes, there is no universal agreement on what tastes good and what tastes bad. What if someone had never tasted coffee, and based their opinion on what coffee tastes like by buying a cup from a vending machine? The taste would be a far cry from a cup of brewed Maxwell House, or from a Starbucks Latte Grande, no?

Surprise fda finds not only due they not vaporize they heat up too much not to mention the multiple carcinogens found in nic cartidges including the kind of glycol thats antifreeze (Nice!)

Raise your hand if you believe that the Government always tells you the truth. Anyone? For a complete explanation of what the FDA found and--more importantly--did not find in electronic cigarettes, see: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...ndanger-health

Not to mentio fact your drawing heat through plastic theirbye inhailing plastic fumes

Actually, you're not inhaling plastic fumes. The atomizer has a metal body. By the time the vapor makes it into the plastic mouthpiece, it's quite cool. Researchers reviewed the results of 16 toxicology studies of vapor and concluded, "A preponderance of the available evidence shows them to be much safer than tobacco cigarettes and comparable in toxicity to conventional nicotine replacement products. We conclude that electronic cigarettes show tremendous promise in the fight against tobacco-related morbidity and mortality.”
Link to article published in the Journal of Public Health Policy: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-...ticle.jphp.pdf

Even if they vaped lke is claimed your inhailing all kinds of disease causing chemicals (again antifreeze) stay the **** away due your body a favor and smoke an organic smoke like AM or a nice cigar this is poison even according to fda

The chemical that creates the visible mist is Propylene Glycol (PG), which is used as an air sanitizer in hospitals. In other words, it kills disease-causing germs! All of the ingredients in the liquid (PG, vegetable glycerin, water, food-grade flavorings, and nicotine) are ingredients in FDA-approved products. Many folks mistakenly believe that the nicotine causes all the smoking-related diseases.

In fact, it is the smoke itself that causes all the health problems. Whenever you burn an organic substance, a chemical process turns some of the burned substance into tar, poisonous gasses like carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of new chemicals created by the process of combustion itself. The process of combustion reorganizes molecules into chemicals that were not present in the unburned material. These include such things as formaldehyde, arsenic, and many other toxic and carcinogenic materials. This happens regardless of what substance is being burned: tobacco, hemp, lettuce, newspaper, etc.

E-cigarettes use the process of vaporization, not combustion. No new chemicals are created in the vaporization process. The only thing that happens is that the substance in the cartridge changes from the liquid state into the gas state (vapor).

My story: After 45 years of smoking, my lungs were starting to show the harmful effects of inhaling tar, particulates, and all the other junk in smoke. I was having trouble falling asleep because my wheezing was so loud. I was coughing up a nasty glob of phlegm every morning. I became easily winded. By the way, the last several years that I smoked, I had switched to an "organic" cigarette that has no added chemicals. It didn't help. I tried countless times to quit, using every treatment and method you can think of. Three years ago, I switched to an electronic cigarette. At first it was a struggle, but I figured out that the problem was that I was not getting enough nicotine. I began ordering liquid and refilling my cartridges myself. I could not find a flavor that matched up to the flavor of the tobacco cigarette I used to smoke. One time a vendor included a small sample bottle of "English Toffee" flavored liquid. I was dubious, but I tried it and found out that it was much better than a tobacco flavor that didn't quite measure up. These days, I use 24 mg. nicotine and my favorite flavors are peach and blackberry.

The nightime wheezing is gone, and so is the morning cough. Oh, and now I can enjoy a good belly laugh without going into an embarrassing coughing jag. So if that sounds unhealthy to you, by all means avoid electronic cigarettes. But if you do decide you want to give them a try, go to e-cigarette-forum first. Do some research. Get some help picking out the right starter kit and the right type of liquid to suit your needs.

BTW. I do not sell or profit in any way from the sale of electronic cigarettes. I head up a non-profit organization dedicated to providing the public with information about smoke-free alternatives such as electronic cigarettes, snus, other smokeless tobacco products, and even NRTs. Any of these can be substituted for smoking and reduce your risks of smoking related disease by up to 99%. Check out the web site: casaa.org

[Frankie Reloaded]

I love e-cigs!

They helped me to quit smoking (contrary to all the warnings that they are not a cessation devices...) and through a guru called Tropical Bob they led me snuff and eventually to snus

I don´t own any at the moment, but anyone who attempts to ban them for whatever reason is an extremely bad person in my opinion - taking this useful tool from smokers to keep them harming themselves by smoke is just plain evil.

[chadizzy1]

In re: Title of this thread -- Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until someone has died before labeling an entire line of products "deadly"?

I hardly know where to start. I guess, let's just take the OP sentence by sentence.



a) It's unfortunate that your first introduction to the product was via one of the flim-flam companies. On E-cigarette-forum.com, folks are advised to avoid so-called free trials, because they most often turn out to be anything but free. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...ee-trials.html
b) There are many cleverly-disguised advertisements on the web that appear to be news items. Fox News doesn't promote electronic cigarettes. Here is an example: http://adphealthinsights.com/are-ele...hy/index4b.php
c) Safe enough for kids? Where did you see that? Reputable e-cigarette vendors refuse to sell to anyone under the legal age for smoking.



Like regular cigarettes, electronic cigarette liquids and pre-filled cartridges are available in a wide variety of flavors and nicotine strengths. And like regular cigarettes, there is no universal agreement on what tastes good and what tastes bad. What if someone had never tasted coffee, and based their opinion on what coffee tastes like by buying a cup from a vending machine? The taste would be a far cry from a cup of brewed Maxwell House, or from a Starbucks Latte Grande, no?



Raise your hand if you believe that the Government always tells you the truth. Anyone? For a complete explanation of what the FDA found and--more importantly--did not find in electronic cigarettes, see: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...ndanger-health



Actually, you're not inhaling plastic fumes. The atomizer has a metal body. By the time the vapor makes it into the plastic mouthpiece, it's quite cool. Researchers reviewed the results of 16 toxicology studies of vapor and concluded, "A preponderance of the available evidence shows them to be much safer than tobacco cigarettes and comparable in toxicity to conventional nicotine replacement products. We conclude that electronic cigarettes show tremendous promise in the fight against tobacco-related morbidity and mortality.”
Link to article published in the Journal of Public Health Policy: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-...ticle.jphp.pdf



The chemical that creates the visible mist is Propylene Glycol (PG), which is used as an air sanitizer in hospitals. In other words, it kills disease-causing germs! All of the ingredients in the liquid (PG, vegetable glycerin, water, food-grade flavorings, and nicotine) are ingredients in FDA-approved products. Many folks mistakenly believe that the nicotine causes all the smoking-related diseases.

In fact, it is the smoke itself that causes all the health problems. Whenever you burn an organic substance, a chemical process turns some of the burned substance into tar, poisonous gasses like carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of new chemicals created by the process of combustion itself. The process of combustion reorganizes molecules into chemicals that were not present in the unburned material. These include such things as formaldehyde, arsenic, and many other toxic and carcinogenic materials. This happens regardless of what substance is being burned: tobacco, hemp, lettuce, newspaper, etc.

E-cigarettes use the process of vaporization, not combustion. No new chemicals are created in the vaporization process. The only thing that happens is that the substance in the cartridge changes from the liquid state into the gas state (vapor).

My story: After 45 years of smoking, my lungs were starting to show the harmful effects of inhaling tar, particulates, and all the other junk in smoke. I was having trouble falling asleep because my wheezing was so loud. I was coughing up a nasty glob of phlegm every morning. I became easily winded. By the way, the last several years that I smoked, I had switched to an "organic" cigarette that has no added chemicals. It didn't help. I tried countless times to quit, using every treatment and method you can think of. Three years ago, I switched to an electronic cigarette. At first it was a struggle, but I figured out that the problem was that I was not getting enough nicotine. I began ordering liquid and refilling my cartridges myself. I could not find a flavor that matched up to the flavor of the tobacco cigarette I used to smoke. One time a vendor included a small sample bottle of "English Toffee" flavored liquid. I was dubious, but I tried it and found out that it was much better than a tobacco flavor that didn't quite measure up. These days, I use 24 mg. nicotine and my favorite flavors are peach and blackberry.

The nightime wheezing is gone, and so is the morning cough. Oh, and now I can enjoy a good belly laugh without going into an embarrassing coughing jag. So if that sounds unhealthy to you, by all means avoid electronic cigarettes. But if you do decide you want to give them a try, go to e-cigarette-forum first. Do some research. Get some help picking out the right starter kit and the right type of liquid to suit your needs.

BTW. I do not sell or profit in any way from the sale of electronic cigarettes. I head up a non-profit organization dedicated to providing the public with information about smoke-free alternatives such as electronic cigarettes, snus, other smokeless tobacco products, and even NRTs. Any of these can be substituted for smoking and reduce your risks of smoking related disease by up to 99%. Check out the web site: casaa.org

Is this a /thread ?

Ha!

[Reynard]

I'm glad someone stepped into this thread. Just prejudiced vape-bashing.

[Ansel]

I have no problems with e-cigs and value them as a harm-reduction method. I only use snus however because i prefer the tradition attached to it what with the history of snuff/tobacco but hey that doesn't mean i hate them. Just because they don't feel right for me doesn't mean i want to stop others from using them.

[Reynard]

That's pretty much how I feel mate, I never got on with them. But I think they're a marvellous invention as harm reduction for most smokers.

I have no problems with e-cigs and value them as a harm-reduction method. I only use snus however because i prefer the tradition attached to it what with the history of snuff/tobacco but hey that doesn't mean i hate them. Just because they don't feel right for me doesn't mean i want to stop others from using them.

[slipmeamickyyo]

Holy hell bud i dont even know where begin but wow thank gor that nicelil speel mr ecig salesman. With all due respect you have your facts scewed backwards making them infact lies. Due your research cause i dont have time to pick apart your post like you did mine. Let me just make several statements. First off you must knoe nothing of chem or physics ANYTIME you suck even warm vapors through plastic you release and inhale plastic fumes. Ask meth smokers that vape shit in a bulb and suck itbup with pen tube. Whatever. Next sorry but the kinds of chemicals found in cartridges DO include the chemical in antifreeze no it does NOT "sanitize" the smoke which by the way IS smoke NOT vapor. These devices dont allow to control temp aand it HAS been found they Do NOT vaporize. Your smoking all kinds of nasty shit, and the cartridges contain numerous cancer causing chemicals beaides nic water and antifreeze. Finaly i never said endorsed i merly said that fox news amomg othee major stations did specials on these and were claimed on tv to be safe enough as nic gum and theoreticaly safe enough for kids to use. Have fun smoking antifreeze and godnknows what else myself id prefer a smoke american spirit organic has got to be three trillions times safer than this utter shit.

[GregH]

Thank you, VocalEK for responding to this thread. I haven't posted here much since I'm only a casual snuser and come here mostly to read and learn. I saw this thread last night and have been hoping to find the time to respond. But VocalEK beat me to it.

I stopped smoking 3 years ago thanks to electronic cigarettes. I added snus to my arsenal only a little over a year ago simply because I enjoy it.

It's understandable if they're not for you. But seriously... I don't know where to begin in responding to the OP. If someone can't grasp the basic difference between vapor and smoke, I seriously doubt a deeper discussion about chemistry and e-liquid contents is going to be very fruitful.

[crullers]

Thank you, VocalEK for responding to this thread. I haven't posted here much since I'm only a casual snuser and come here mostly to read and learn. I saw this thread last night and have been hoping to find the time to respond. But VocalEK beat me to it.

I stopped smoking 3 years ago thanks to electronic cigarettes. I added snus to my arsenal only a little over a year ago simply because I enjoy it.

It's understandable if they're not for you. But seriously... I don't know where to begin in responding to the OP. If someone can't grasp the basic difference between vapor and smoke, I seriously doubt a deeper discussion about chemistry and e-liquid contents is going to be very fruitful.

I've never used e-cigs myself but I know one person that used them to quit cigarettes successfully. That's proof enough to me that they are useful and not "extremely deadly"

I suggest not responding. That's some masterful trolling from the OP.

[GregH]

I suggest not responding. That's some masterful trolling from the OP.

I agree and decided I'm not going to, at least directly. Besides, it would break my policy of never debating someone whose only arguments are riddled with profanities, spelling errors, and atrocious grammar.

[jagmanss]

IMHO..... I say possible troll alert of the OP since this thread was his first post on this forum! Not a good start... I see forum disruption comming....