The Assault On E-Cigs Accelerates

[evilfrog]

Really liked this piece on e-cigs: http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2391

Things have gotten really bad in parts of Australia over the last year or so - hopefully it isn't a harbinger of what the rest of us will soon face.
I'm hoping reason wins out over irrational fear in at least a few countries, but I've prepared for the worst.

[alopezg1]

So basically they confirmed nicotine is addicting? I don't think anyone has ever argued that fact ever

actually the synthetic nicotine you get in e-cigs has a very low potential for addiction... not many people get hooked on the patches or gum

[Snusdog]

Heart Group Calls On FDA To Quickly Regulate E-Cigs

"Electronic cigarettes need to be strongly regulated – and quickly – to prevent another generation of young people from becoming addicted to nicotine, according to the American Heart Association's first policy statement on the products.

In its statement, the heart association pointed to studies suggesting that e-cigarettes, which contain nicotine but no tobacco, could serve as a "gateway" drug to addict young people, who may go on to regular cigarettes or smokeless tobacco. The association pointed to flavors in e-cigarettes, such as bubble gum, arguing that these are intended to attract kids.

"We are fiercely committed to preventing the tobacco industry from addicting another generation of smokers," said Nancy Brown, CEO of the heart association, in a statement.

An April proposal from the Food and Drug Administration would require most e-cigarettes to undergo an agency review. The proposed rules would ban sales of e-cigarettes to minors and require warning labels. Though some health advocates hailed the announcement, others said the FDA didn't go far enough, because it failed to ban flavors."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ment/14450967/

Something smells in these reports........I bet a good accountant finds either big tobacco or big pharmaceutical as contributors to these groups........these desperate emotive calls for regulation, save the children, and of course. ...gotta throw the gateway card.........have no science behind them........they are purely agenda driven......by those with something to protect

[rickcharles606]

I'm interested to hear comments on this article from everyone here

http://www.cstoredecisions.com/2014/...apor-e-cigs/#_

It appears that Reynolds has missed the "curve" so to speak and now finds themselves behind the proverbial 8 ball, and are asking the FDA to ban the competition.

[lxskllr]

I'm interested to hear comments on this article from everyone here

http://www.cstoredecisions.com/2014/...apor-e-cigs/#_

It appears that Reynolds has missed the "curve" so to speak and now finds themselves behind the proverbial 8 ball, and are asking the FDA to ban the competition.

Our position is really that these open tanks are really not appropriate. And the reason for that is because people can put whatever they want to in those tanks, and this is a lot of the public outcry. People are putting a lot of things other than nicotine into these pipes.

Let people do what they want, with hardware they purchased?! What kind of insanity is that?!?! If we allow that, soon people will be using kitchen chairs as step ladders, and adding solid state drives to their computers. It'll be the end of civilization as we know it!!

[rickcharles606]

Let people do what they want, with hardware they purchased?! What kind of insanity is that?!?! If we allow that, soon people will be using kitchen chairs as step ladders, and adding solid state drives to their computers. It'll be the end of civilization as we know it!!

LOL, yeah it'll be anarchy. RJR spent millions and millions of dollars developing their "e-cig" and by the time they got it to market, the market was moving in a different direction...away from cig-alike products to VTM's (Vapor Tank Mods) and they hadn't prepared for that. So they try and get the rest of the industries products banned. It's laughable really, but the scary thing is that the FDA (Flickin Dumb Asses) might actually buy into what RJR is saying.

[lxskllr]

...the scary thing is that the FDA (Flickin Dumb Asses) might actually buy into what RJR is saying.

Someone more cynical might say they aren't buying anything, but are getting paid. If not in the present, then in future lucrative employment...

[Snusdog]

I'm interested to hear comments on this article from everyone here

http://www.cstoredecisions.com/2014/...apor-e-cigs/#_

It appears that Reynolds has missed the "curve" so to speak and now finds themselves behind the proverbial 8 ball, and are asking the FDA to ban the competition.

The whole process is on the take if you ask me........and here is just one example of a non-health related attempt to manipulate health policy to the hurt of the population's health.

[taffyjock]

Got a really weird situation here in the UK, battle between ideology & science, Public health & the tobacco war, Gov control vs Free market.

No one seems to know WTF to believe & it's doing no good for the smokers who just think sod it & keep smoking.

Public Health England (advisor to NHS) released a study saying ecigs are at least 95% Safer than smoking.

NHS are releasing a prescription ecig from BAT, a useless cigalikes at the same time as EUs TPD is basically killing 2nd, 3rd & 4th generation ecigs with heavy restrictions, the ones that actually work.

So we're left with a situation where Anti tobacco zealots are celebrating killing off something that is getting people off smoking & kissing up to the tobacco industry, it's complete madness

[taffyjock]

Good to see our NHS is looking out for our health.

http://www.nhs.uk/smokefree/help-and...eXt2wjktttg.97

[trebli]

FEDS ANNOUNCE FINAL E-CIGARETTE RULE THAT NEARLY BANS THEM


"Under the rule, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration would have to approve all tobacco products not currently regulated that hit stores after February 2007. The e-cigarette industry was virtually non-existent before then."

"The Tobacco Control Act of 2009 sets Feb. 15, 2007, as the latest date by which all tobacco products would have to have to be grandfathered in. Mitch Zeller, head of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, has said publicly that he couldn't choose a later date, although industry officials disagree."

"That means nearly every e-cigarette on the market — and every different flavor and nicotine level — would require a separate application for federal approval. Each application could cost $1 million or more, says Jeff Stier, an e-cigarette advocate with the National Center for Public Policy Research and industry officials."

http://www.wfaa.com/news/nation/feds...them/173664149

[trebli]

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT TO BEGIN REGULATING THE BOOMING E-CIGARETTE MARKET

"Representatives of the e-cigarette industry said the rules will endanger the market for products that have the potential to help people move away from traditional tobacco."

"Today’s final rule pulls the rug out from the nine million smokers who have switched to vaping, putting them in jeopardy of returning back to smoking, which kills 480,000 Americans each year and costs the U.S. more than $300 billion in annual health care expenses," Cynthia Cabrera, executive director of the Smoke-Free Alternatives Trade Association, the largest industry trade group, said in a statement Thursday. "These new regulations create an enormously cost-prohibitive regulatory process for manufacturers to market their products to adult smokers and vapers. It also limits access to the 40 million adult smokers in the U.S. yet to make the switch to vaping and cripples a multi-billion dollar, job-creating industry, the majority of which are made of small businesses."

"In recent weeks, the e-cigarette industry has gotten support from some public health experts. In late April, a group of tobacco-control experts, writing in the journal Addiction, urged the FDA to be "open-minded" about e-cigarettes, saying that the products are more beneficial than harmful and can result in a reduction in traditional smoking.

"We're concerned the FDA, which has asserted its right to regulate e-cigarettes, will focus solely on the possibility that e-cigarettes and other vapor nicotine products might act as a gateway to cigarette use," David Levy, the lead author and a professor in the department of oncology at the Georgetown Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center, said at the time."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-e-cigarettes/

[trebli]

"E-Cigarettes are very popular and on August 8, the Federal Government put new laws in place regulating E-Cigarettes, hookah and cigars exactly the same way the government regulates cigarettes."


"Employees at " The Vape Shop" are upset about these laws because if they have used vapes to take place of their cigarette habits, they can not tell the customers their personal experience.


"The FDA has taken away my freedom of speech. I cant tell someone how this has helped me or how its helped someone else and that's my freedom of speech, i should be able to tell someone how this has helped me personally," said Phill Harrell, owner of "The Vape Shop." "New customers going forward i cant help them so they're kind of on their own"


http://www.local8now.com/content/new...389559881.html

[trebli]

Snus is more convenient and won't explode in your pocket.

[trebli]

Another exploding battery.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...odes-face.html