Just a word on breathing in metals. It's probably not totally harmless but i worked in a metal fabrication shop for 2 years.......every day I could wipe out the inside of my nose and it would be caked in layers of powdered metal.....never seemed to do me any harm that i could tell.
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Yes. It seems to me highly unlikely that e cigs are good for you, but they should be a great deal less harmful than a tobacco cigarette.
I think also in regards to the metals the smaller the particles the more dangerous it is as they get deep into your respiratory systemComment
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Once I saw Glantz was in the news report I turned it off - he's well known as a fanatical anti-ecig campaigner willing to say anything.
Most studies show ecigs to be likely 100 times safer then smokes at a minimum.
I don't worry too much about these reports or what the government will do as far as my personal use goes - I have enough equipment to last several years (maybe a couple decades) and enough knowledge to keep me vaping indefinitely - but a lot of the recently proposed legislation will kill a lot of other people if it gets passed.
For some people, fighting nicotine has become a religious crusade, making them immune to reason. It's a pity, and they aren't going to stop until the public gets correct information and inures itself to the sight of people vaping... could take months, years, or decades.Comment
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Good post. Thanks!Comment
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Corte Madera Votes To Ban Smoking, E-Cigarette Use In Multifamily Housing Units
“Corte Madera isn't the first community to ban e-cigarette use. Last month, Los Angeles joined New York, Boston and Chicago in restricting the use of e-cigarettes in restaurants, bars, nightclubs and other public spaces.
According to the nonprofit American Nonsmokers Rights Foundation in Berkeley, nearly 140 cities and counties in the United States have placed restrictions on e-smoking, including Fairfax, Mill Valley and Tiburon. All of these local ordinances don't specifically address e-cigarettes, but do reference "tobacco-like" products such as hookah or any other device containing tobacco.
Anyone caught in violation of the ordinance is subject to a $100 fine. If the town chooses to bring a civil action against a property owner, the fine could range from $250 to $1,000.
Bob Curry, director of the Marin County Tobacco Control Program, said the program will continue to assist communities such as Corte Madera in educating landlords and the public about the new ordinance.”
Councilwoman Carla CondonAttached FilesComment
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Congress Is Coming for E-Cigarettes
“A coalition of lawmakers have set their sights on e-cigarettes and have, in a new report, asked the Food and Drug Administration to impose cigarette-like restrictions on them as soon as possible.
E-cigarette companies aren’t required to comply with any of the rules that traditional tobacco companies are. And they’re certainly benefiting from it. There are e-cigs called “Cherry Crush,” “Vivid Vanilla,” “Pineapple Luau,” and “Vanilla Mist.”
It’s looking like e-cigarettes’ regulation-free honeymoon period is probably coming to an end; Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), one of the lawmakers who commissioned the report, said that the report “is further evidence that the administration must act quickly to regulate electronic cigarettes … Big Tobacco can create new products with a fresh new image, but its goal remains the same: to market addictive—and harmful—products to children.”
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/con...r-e-cigarettesComment
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To be fair, some amount of regulation in the e-cig industry might not be terrible. I never get IDed walking into my local vape shop, nor has anyone I've asked who has gone there. Don't get me started on bathtub/kitchen sink e-liquid manufacturing...
Anyway, how is the FDA going to ban the kanthal wire one can easily use to make one's own atomizers? Batteries? Propylene glycol? Vegetable glycerin? Food-grade flavorings? The only possible outcome would be tighter regulations on the pharmaceutical-grade nicotine itself, and I can't see the argument that restricting the purchase of nicotine USP to consumers of legal age could be a bad thing.Comment
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The regulation needed is what the Swedes have done for snus - do it like a food product.
I'm in the small minority that thinks minors should be able to buy e-cigs. Most minors can get real cigs without too much trouble - better that they start with something less harmful if they are going to start using nicotine. I would also support snus sales to minors, though I think e-cigs are probably less addictive then snus because of the alkaloids in snus.
As for regulating nicotine: I don't really see the point. Sure, it's poisonous, but there's tons of worse stuff you can get through the mail. I'm all for slapping a proper warning label on it (actually on all nicotine liquids), but anything beyond that seems silly. The exception I might make would be anything purer then 100mg/ml - but that's hard to find. Most suppliers already refuse to sell concentrations over 100mg/ml to anyone that isn't a professional mixer, but if you know where to look there are still a couple places you can get 1000mg/ml - which can knock you silly with just the fumes from opening the bottle.Comment
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Actually, I can get down with minors being able to purchase ready-made nicotine-containing products, too. I just don't think it's in the realm of things that are bound to happen at this point. That said, the thought of some 15-year-old buying 100mg/ml nicotine liquid and going "this seems like a great way to get FURKED URP" and slamming a shot of it terrifies me. I've known 15-year-olds to do similarly stupid things. I also don't think it's a great idea for vaping retailers to blatantly ignore existing laws. Doesn't help the cause at all.Originally posted by evilfrog View PostComment
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Originally posted by Mroe View Post
I see you are from Ohio which I believe is exactly like non-chicago Illinois meaning there is nothing to do. Being a teenager you can either play sports, worship Jesus, or use tobacco. I chose tobacco. I could get it all the time when I was 14, the only problem was someone else had to get it for me which sometimes lead to dealing with sketchy ass people just to get tobacco. If some 15 year old wants to slam a shot of nic-liquid then by all means let him do it. Natural selection is something that is best to experience first hand.
My big fear now is that the EU will shut down Sweden's snus production and Norway's current snus laws will leave us in short supply of our favorite products here in the U.S. The EU was formed all about easier exchange of travel and business transactions, yet they want to shut down the one tobacco product that could make the entire eurozone an incredibly healthier place.Comment
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Smoke Signals: E-Cigarette Industry Awaits Looming FDA Regulation
"The Food and Drug Administration will propose rules for e-cigarettes as early as this month."
"Where the real questions remain is how the agency will treat the thousands of flavors available for e-cigarettes. While some companies are limiting offerings to tobacco and menthol flavors, others are selling candy-like flavors like cherry and strawberry.
Flavors other than menthol are banned for regular cigarettes over concerns that flavored tobacco targets children."
Isn't this what happened to retail snus? Most snus varieties were never grandfathered.
"The FDA also will decide the grandfather date that would allow electronic cigarette products to remain on the market without getting prior approval from regulators — a ruling that could force some, if not all, e-cigarettes to be pulled from store shelves while they are evaluated by the agency."
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1764739Comment
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Are Electronic Cigarettes A Public Good Or A Health Hazard?
"When electronic cigarettes first appeared a little over a decade ago, they were hailed by public health advocates-as well as some smokers-as a godsend …
Very quickly, however, enthusiasm faded, when some public health advocates began worrying that the cure was worse than the disease. Even more worrisome, “eCigs” could provide a gateway for young people to start smoking tobacco cigarettes, or even lure ex-smokers back to the habit.
At the same time, 2.8 million nonsmokers converted to electronic smokes. But even that doesn’t tell the whole story, says Quelch, since it leaves out the number of smokers who would have taken up smoking tobacco if e-cigarettes didn’t exist, as well as the number of smokers who would have quit cold turkey without the availability of electronic products.
Ironically, if regulation does go forward, it might help the major tobacco companies, by limiting the marketing playbook of the competitors that were cannibalizing sales of their products.
“Altria or Phillip Morris know how to deal with regulators,” says Quelch, “but with all those entrepreneurs coming out with flavors and advertising, they would no longer be able to get traction in their business.”
That means that electronic cigarettes, which are now significantly cheaper on a smoke-per-smoke basis than heavily taxed tobacco competitors, will probably start climbing in price and eventually become equal to tobacco brands. That could create an even bigger windfall for Phillip Morris, Altria, and Lorillard."
more at: http://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworki.../04/23/4292/2/Comment
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F.D.A. Will Propose New Regulations For E-Cigarettes
"The Food and Drug Administration will propose sweeping new rules on Thursday …" "Thursday’s release of the blueprint — which is hundreds of pages long — is sure to set off a frantic lobbying effort in Washington as affected industries try to head off the costliest, most restrictive regulations.
Members of the Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association, one of the e-cigarette industry trade groups, descended on Washington in November, and reported holding nearly 50 meetings with congressional officials to help them “learn more about the negative impact inappropriate regulation could have on this nascent industry,” the group said in a statement."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/he...ml?hpw&rref=usComment
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"Public health advocates, who’ve been incensed by the lack of restrictions on e-cigarettes in particular as regards their burgeoning use by kids and teens, welcomed the announcement but said it didn’t go far enough.
In February, the European Parliament passed e-cigarette regulations that went much further, banning advertising, limiting nicotine content, and requiring childproof packaging."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/melanieh...-e-cigarettes/Comment
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From my quick reading of the FDA paper: if it passes as is, it will probably result in higher prices and maybe some stifling of innovation by the little one and two man modding companies. There's no way the FDA will be quick about checking every mod, atty, drip tip, juice, etc. for compliance - they just want the fee from the application.Originally posted by trebli View Post
If I'm wrong and they are quick about doing this stuff or if the application fee is unreasonably high, then you can say goodbye to American mods and liquids outside of what big tobacco owns. We will be left with looking to European and Asian modders and the black market after the two year grace period ends.Comment
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