Copenhagen Snus

[chadizzy1]

We need to find out the moisture content.

I want to say I'm hopeful about this but until American snusmakers disclose their production methods I can not and will not in good conscience suggest to anyone to try it or switch from cigarettes to American "snus". Period.

[internope]

Whether you "taste" the sweetness in Copenhagen is irrelevant. It's there, if you care to do a google search. Some place the content as low as 2% and some as high as 18% (it depends on what you consider "real" sugar). It's a tradition that goes back hundreds of years and will likely always be a fixture of American tobacco products. Same thing with cigarettes. They sure don't taste like a honey bun even though they have a sugar content of 15% or more.

At your suggestion I went ahead and took a look around Google. Depending on the variety, cultivation, and curing method, dried tobacco contains varying percentages of naturally occurring sugars, from a low of almost 0 to 15% or more. Loose and plug chewing tobacco is packed with added sugar for sure, but in 1980 Skoal and Copenhagen were found to contain less than 2% sugars. I would assume that is due to the natural sugars present in the tobacco leaf rather than added sugars.

http://jada.ada.org/cgi/reprint/130/11/1601.pdf

"A 1980 study that analyzed the sugar content of popular commercial brands of chewing tobacco and snuff reported that three brands of loose-leaf chewing tobacco contained very high levels of fermentable sugars (30 to 40 percent by weight). The sugars in these products included glucose, fructose, sucrose, maltose and isomaltose. In contrast, two popular snuff brands (Skoal and Copenhagen) had very low sugar content (less than 2 percent)"

[Jwalker]

First of all yay.

Secondly I don't think dip contains added sugar. Ettan and roda lacket are at least 5 times sweeter than copenhagen long cut. I think dark fired kentucky tobacco has a lower sugar content than air cured leaf. I also don't think they would add dark fired leaf to their snus if they could avoid it since it costs almost twice as much, they probably have to do some major flavor engineering to make the snus even resemble the dip. I think it will be good though otherwise they'll have wasted 100 million dollars making their snus plant. I think skoal snus will do ok, if nothing else you get three free pouches to dip compared to 12. It's hard to sell it though without advertising.

[Crow]

Right now, I would say Skoal Mint snus is the best thing we have when it comes to American snus. Copenhagen natural snus? Even better. It would be a day one purchase for me.

[Ephemeris]

At your suggestion I went ahead and took a look around Google. Depending on the variety, cultivation, and curing method, dried tobacco contains varying percentages of naturally occurring sugars, from a low of almost 0 to 15% or more. Loose and plug chewing tobacco is packed with added sugar for sure, but in 1980 Skoal and Copenhagen were found to contain less than 2% sugars. I would assume that is due to the natural sugars present in the tobacco leaf rather than added sugars.

http://jada.ada.org/cgi/reprint/130/11/1601.pdf

"A 1980 study that analyzed the sugar content of popular commercial brands of chewing tobacco and snuff reported that three brands of loose-leaf chewing tobacco contained very high levels of fermentable sugars (30 to 40 percent by weight). The sugars in these products included glucose, fructose, sucrose, maltose and isomaltose. In contrast, two popular snuff brands (Skoal and Copenhagen) had very low sugar content (less than 2 percent)"

Yet the Lancet cites this same study as showing that Copenhagen and Skoal have 18% sugar content, being that the ADA didn't include sorghum in its tally (June 6 1981).

Whatever floats your boat man. It seems like you're trying to argue with me about whether or not Copenhagen contains sugar, which is a pretty irrefutable fact. Believe what you want, it's a free country.

Secondly I don't think dip contains added sugar. Ettan and roda lacket are at least 5 times sweeter than copenhagen long cut.

Ettan is flavored with hazlenut and Roda Lacket is flavored with an assorted mixture of natural fruit. Neither contain sugar.

I think dark fired kentucky tobacco has a lower sugar content than air cured leaf.

You have that backwards. Fire cured Kentucky has a pretty high sugar content while air cured tobacco has the lowest. The heat brings out more of the natural sugar. This is why snus has less than half a percent natural sugar in its composition.

I also don't think they would add dark fired leaf to their snus if they could avoid it since it costs almost twice as much, they probably have to do some major flavor engineering to make the snus even resemble the dip.

Copenhagen snuff is about 70% flue and fire cured, so why wouldn't the snus have the same tobacco composition?

Also, since when did fire-cured tobacco cost more than air-cured? Curing doesn't effect the price, only the taste. The last auction I went to ended with Burly fetching 1.25 per pound with dark Kentucky ending at about a buck and a nickel. Where I live, dark tobacco has always brought home less than air cured Burly.

Guys, I've been in the tobacco business all my life. My family has been in it for 200 years. I publish the world's only magazine devoted to smokeless tobacco. I'm not saying I'm a genius, but there's not a whole lot about tobacco that I don't know about.

[Grim]

@ Ephemeris

No one here really know what they are talking about. When they read ( insert random tobacco curing process ) and ( insert random article on which gives you cancer ) they think they are scientists.

Fact of the matter being American Snus is sweeter because that is what the major percent of the American market wants is a sweeter non tasting tobacco product especially when they are suppose to swallow the spit.

I dont give a rats ass on which tobacco curing process they use as long as it tastes good.

Everyone turning their nose up at anything other than swedish snus are just plain stupid. What will you do when this government bans imports on smokeless tobacco which is what they are trying to do.

All of the know it alls on here better cross thier fingers that an american company introduces a decent natural tobacco product becuase if none of you support it it may dissapear and then when the govt f-s you all over what tobacco product will you use.

Half of you will go back to smoking while the other half will probably go to dip, and for all of you who say you will quit using tobacco all together, LMAO , yeah right.... good luck

[Snus Boost]

@ Ephemeris

No one here really know what they are talking about. When they read ( insert random tobacco curing process ) and ( insert random article on which gives you cancer ) they think they are scientists.

Fact of the matter being American Snus is sweeter because that is what the major percent of the American market wants is a sweeter non tasting tobacco product especially when they are suppose to swallow the spit.

I dont give a rats ass on which tobacco curing process they use as long as it tastes good.

Everyone turning their nose up at anything other than swedish snus are just plain stupid. What will you do when this government bans imports on smokeless tobacco which is what they are trying to do.

All of the know it alls on here better cross thier fingers that an american company introduces a decent natural tobacco product becuase if none of you support it it may dissapear and then when the govt f-s you all over what tobacco product will you use.

Half of you will go back to smoking while the other half will probably go to dip, and for all of you who say you will quit using tobacco all together, LMAO , yeah right.... good luck

I didn't ask you to "give a rats ass which curing process they use" what I'm saying is I do. I got into this for harm reduction and the major reasons there is reduced harm are Air Dried and Steam Pastuerized tobacco.

[Snusdog]

I think there is a bigger issue here.

The major obstacle facing snus in America (from a marketing standpoint) is its association with dip. As long is snus is perceived as dip with a slightly different spin, snus will never gain the market or success it has had in other parts of the world. Snus is dip and dip is gross/redneck/and disgusting. Therefore most will never try it.

Big tobacco knows this.

Their incessant introduction of products called "snus" yet with dip or cigarette names is an intentional brand association intended cut the market off from snus (thus protecting cigarette sales and keeping companies like Swedish Match from having a huge head start in a snus industry that could possibly threaten both Cig and dip sales)

Add to this sabotage by association the fact that American snus has thus far been an inferior product and you have little more than Big Tobacco's message in a tin

and the message is this.....................snus is no different than cigarettes and dip (look at the name on the can).................also.....................its nasty...........week..................and at best only what you do when you can't light up or are too big of a pussy to lip a fatty

The name on the can fellas...............tells you it is supposed to fail..............it is not introducing a new product to the market................its insuring that product never obtains its market potential................

Copenhagen Snus isn't a product..............its intentional propaganda with countless millions of dollars of market analysis behind it

................but don't mind me....................... tell me more about the NOS (naturally occurring sugars)...................and how dip and snus are the...............SAME

[Snus Boost]

You have just been humped by the Dog

[tom502]

I do think the US snus makers try to differ it with dip, mostly as an alternative to smoking when smoking is impractical.
Copenhagen has sugar, maybe that's why it tastes so good?
This Timber Wolf Natural Longcut, doesn't seem to have sugar, that's why it's not so good.

I think there is a vast variety of tobacco products, and I like them all, and use many, and I know many here do too. I don't want to judge any product as superior. Use what one likes and not what one doesn't.

[Snusdog]

I think there is a vast variety of tobacco products, and I like them all, and use many, and I know many here do too. I don't want to judge any product as superior. Use what one likes and not what one doesn't.

There is nothing wrong with that and I think that is what most people do by and large with anything

However, that is really not the issue. The issue is do some products put you at a greater health risk than others.................if so.............what and how much.

The second issue is why are major corporations and government regulations knowingly protecting a blatantly more hazardous product (cigarettes) from its much safer alternative (snus)

Third, there is the issue of being alert to the possible ways this abstract notion of protection is being played out in concrete everyday terms (PACT, Copenhagen snus, EU ban, Shipping regulations).

All three of these issues then will help us make a more informed choice about what we like and in what proportion we will partake of it.

Postlude
Even in our postmodern society.................not all of life can be reduced to opinion and preference...............even for us there remains the inconvenient objectiveness of truth..........................that both informs................ and lays claim............... to our preferences and opinions.

[chadizzy1]

You have just been humped by the Dog

SHAZAM!

[Snusdog]

SHAZAM!

LOOK....................WE'VE ALL DONE THINGS WE'RE NOT PROUD OF


but that BBQ was F***ing good

[resnor]

@ Ephemeris: don't all fruits contain "sugar"? I mean, perhaps you meant that Swedish snus doesn't contain manufactured "sugar"...

[tom502]

Well, of course. It's all about money and control.