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  • rothenbj
    New Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 8

    US Federal Tax Proposal ACT Now!

    The Dems are causing trouble for fellow snusers and for all tobacco and nicotine users. Senate bill S 1403 has been proposed for a new tax hike by the end of the year. Details-



    Here's the target subject of the bill:

    "SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the ‘IDEA Full Funding Act’.

    SEC. 2. AMENDMENTS TO IDEA.

    Section 611(i) of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (20 U.S.C. 1411(i))"

    Sounds good? Everybody supports education and sympathizes with the disabled, right? Right?
    Well here comes the hook, and it has nothing to do with the disabled or education and everything to do with tobacco control and exorbitant tobacco taxation--pipe tobacco smokers here>it >comes>

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... =s112-1403



    "EC. 3. TOBACCO TAX INCREASE AND PARITY.

    (a) Short Title- This section may be cited as the ‘Saving Lives by Lowering Tobacco Use Act’.

    (b) Increase in Excise Tax on Small Cigars and Cigarettes-

    (1) SMALL CIGARS- Section 5701(a)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking ‘$50.33’ and inserting ‘$100.50’.

    (2) CIGARETTES- Section 5701(b) of such Code is amended--

    (A) by striking ‘$50.33’ in paragraph (1) and inserting ‘$100.50’, and

    (B) by striking ‘$105.69’ in paragraph (2) and inserting ‘$211.04’.

    (c) Tax Parity for Pipe Tobacco and Roll-Your-Own Tobacco-

    (1) PIPE TOBACCO- Section 5701(f) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking ‘$2.8311 cents’ and inserting ‘$49.55’.

    (2) ROLL-YOUR-OWN TOBACCO- Section 5701(g) of such Code is amended by striking ‘$24.78’ and inserting ‘$49.55’.

    (d) Clarification of Definition of Small Cigars- Paragraphs (1) and (2) of section 5701(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 are each amended by striking ‘three pounds per thousand’ and inserting ‘four and one-half pounds per thousand’.

    (e) Clarification of Definition of Cigarette- Paragraph (2) of section 5702(b) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by inserting before the final period the following: ‘, which includes any roll for smoking containing tobacco that weighs no more than four and a half pounds per thousand, unless it is wrapped in whole tobacco leaf and does not have a cellulose acetate or other cigarette-style filter’.

    (f) Tax Parity for Smokeless Tobacco-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5701(e) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended--

    (A) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘$1.51’ and inserting ‘$26.79’;

    (B) in paragraph (2), by striking ‘50.33 cents’ and inserting ‘$10.72’; and

    (C) by adding at the end the following:

    ‘(3) SMOKELESS TOBACCO SOLD IN DISCRETE SINGLE-USE UNITS- On discrete single-use units, $100.50 per each 1,000 single-use units.’.

    (2) DISCRETE SINGLE-USE UNIT- Section 5702(m) of such Code is amended--

    (A) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘or chewing tobacco’ and inserting ‘chewing tobacco, discrete single-use unit’;

    (B) in paragraphs (2) and (3), by inserting ‘that is not a discrete single-use unit’ before the period in each such paragraph; and

    (C) by adding at the end the following:

    ‘(4) DISCRETE SINGLE-USE UNIT- The term ‘discrete single-use unit’ means any product containing tobacco that--

    ‘(A) is intended or expected to be consumed without being combusted; and

    ‘(B) is in the form of a lozenge, tablet, pill, pouch, dissolvable strip, or other discrete single-use or single-dose unit.’.

    (3) OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS- Section 5701 of such Code is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

    ‘(i) Other Tobacco Products- Any product not otherwise described under this section that has been determined to be a tobacco product by the Food and Drug Administration through its authorities under the Family Smoking Prevention and Control Act shall be taxed at a level of tax equivalent to the tax rate for cigarettes on an estimated per use basis as determined by the Secretary.’.

    (g) Clarifying Other Tobacco Tax Definitions-

    (1) TOBACCO PRODUCT DEFINITION- Section 5702(c) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by inserting before the period the following: ‘, and any other product containing tobacco that is intended or expected to be consumed’.

    (2) CIGARETTE PAPER DEFINITION- Section 5702(e) of such Code is amended by striking ‘except tobacco,’ and inserting ‘or cigar (other than roll-your-own tobacco)’.

    (3) CIGARETTE TUBE DEFINITION- Section 5702(f) of such Code is amended by inserting before the period ‘or cigars’.

    (4) IMPORTER DEFINITION- Section 5702(k) of such Code is amended by inserting ‘or any other tobacco product’ after ‘cigars or cigarettes’.


    So you thought we were screwed before? Our Congress representing The Will of The People ain't done jacking us yet.

    Spread the word and fight this thing. Chances are slim that the Repubs will go along with it, but sitting on the sidelines is not doing any of us a favor.

    We're only screwed if we do as we've done in the past. Let them know your feelings and let them know you have a good memory, especially in Now.


    For those of you that don’t know what Popvox is, it’s an advocacy window into the government. Read a Washington post article on the site-

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html

    I highly recommend bookmarking it for future reference and signing up and letting your voice be heard. As well as voting yay or nay on the proposal you can leave comments and your Senators will get the message-

    https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s1403
  • Snusdog
    Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 6752

    #2
    Well sh*t
    When it's my time to go, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my uncle did....... Not screaming in terror like his passengers

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    • ABW
      Member
      • May 2011
      • 793

      #3
      Nice of them huh.. Got pay for all their social experiments somehow....

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      • AtreyuKun
        Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 1223

        #4
        Doesn't matter what we say or want. They're going to do whatever they want. We have NO ****ing say in the matter.

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        • sgreger1
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 9451

          #5
          Well that sucks. Nothing we can do.

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          • Darwin
            Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 1372

            #6
            I volunteer to man the 50 cal. on the speedboat smuggling snus in from the Libertarian paradise island.

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            • Mrobin52
              Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 109

              #7
              Haha I'm with you Darwin! Voted, we'll see if any of us can actually make a difference. My outlook is grim...

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              • c.nash
                Banned Users
                • May 2010
                • 3511

                #8
                This was posted in another thread... It's SUCH BS.

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                • rothenbj
                  New Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 8

                  #9
                  I voted and I to wonder if it will make a difference. However at least I feel I'm trying and hopefully one day we will make a difference. Hundreds of thousands of votes would get their attention.

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                  • GoVegan
                    Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 5603

                    #10
                    Originally posted by rothenbj
                    I voted and I to wonder if it will make a difference. However at least I feel I'm trying and hopefully one day we will make a difference. Hundreds of thousands of votes would get their attention.
                    Just like PACT - Congress doesnt give a crap what we think.

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                    • ABW
                      Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 793

                      #11
                      Ok.. I signed up and voiced my opposition to this crap..Now will someone break it down for me.. What does this mean for a can of snus? I tried to read thru it but could not come up with any rel numbers.. What's the deal for a can of snus if this passes...

                      Edit-- if I did my math right it would be about 5.00 bucks federal tax a can.. wow.. That's going to hurt the snus world...

                      Edit--edit-- the only way I see around this is to have my boys on the reservation order it for me.. No federal tax... or is that wrong? Is it no state tax? It's one or the other...

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                      • ABW
                        Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 793

                        #12
                        Another thought about this tax act thing...

                        This is why we need some quality energy snus that are tobacco free but with nicotine in them.. There not taxing nicotine yet.. It won't be the same but you could use those most of the time and bite the bullet on the expensive stuff when you really feel the jones coming on..

                        Now, before Chad jumps on me.. I am all for tobacco energy snus now but when this hits it would be nice to have some that are tobacco free(to avoid taxes) but have nic in them and that's a whole other game for the manufacturers. They have to add pharm nic to a tobacco free product so they better get busy getting the process down now..

                        I am going to post this here and in chads thread...

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                        • heppycat
                          Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 220

                          #13
                          So thanks to the ‘Saving Lives by Lowering Tobacco Use Act’ a (roughly) 1 pound roll of loose snus is going to go up $25.
                          I see that a few of you say that you can't do anything about this, but there are 24 states represented in the Senate Finance Committee:

                          Max Baucus » MT
                          John D. Rockefeller IV » WV
                          Kent Conrad » ND
                          Jeff Bingaman » NM
                          John F. Kerry » MA
                          Ron Wyden » OR
                          Charles E. Schumer » NY
                          Debbie Stabenow » MI
                          Maria Cantwell » WA
                          Bill Nelson » FL
                          Robert Menendez » NJ
                          Thomas R. Carper » DE
                          Benjamin L. Cardin » MD

                          Orrin Hatch » UT
                          Chuck Grassley » IA
                          Olympia J. Snowe » ME
                          Jon Kyl » AZ
                          Mike Crapo » ID
                          Pat Roberts » KS
                          Michael B. Enzi » WY
                          John Cornyn » TX
                          Tom Coburn » OK
                          John Thune » SD
                          Richard Burr » NC

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                          • sgreger1
                            Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 9451

                            #14
                            I suggest we introduce a pro-tobacco bill that lowers tobacco taxes under the name of SB741 , the "Preventing the heinous curb-stomping of kittens act of 2011."

                            Gotta know the rules of the game to play amirite?

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                            • TheJanitor
                              Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 260

                              #15
                              F*ck this, if snus goes up $5 bucks a can it's all over. I'm not paying $10 a can, plus tax and shipping. I assume I'm not the only one who would quit too. If I was Northerner I'd just cut my losses and get the hell outta dodge before the SHTF.

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