EU Snus Ban!?!

[Fazer]

And, have you also noticed how the biased BBC always hand pick businesses that say “we rely on EU exports for our survival” … Really? wft drugs are they on ?

Do they really think that people really believe that everything in the EU is made in the EU. If people want our products now, they will still want our products if we leave.

Clegg said a couple years ago that, there are 2 or 3 million people whose jobs rely on the single market, jobs and growth would be at risk if we pull out, or something like that he said. The keyword I pick from that bulls%*^t is growth ... Growth, what growth is that twat talking about? Is it the kinda negative growth that we’re having now!

The sad fact is, lx and frosted are right.

[squeezyjohn]

Oh I think that Cameron who wants a "stay in EU but is hopes it will give him some leverage with the EU vote" might have got this one completely wrong actually. He's underestimated the sheer number of different groups that for their own very different reasons want out of the EU - if they came together to canvas a "leave" vote it would be very strong.

I would not be at all surprised if a referendum ended up in a "leave" vote - it certainly would if it was called today.

[bpc720]

Full right wing isn't the way either. Some socialist programs are good and its nice to have a safety net. It seems however once they start paying for healthcare, easy welfare access, etc...they start deciding what you can and can't put in your body. I've gone through periods of not having health insurance and its fu***** terrifying. I've had to go to the hospital with out it and ended up with a $3500 bill and was only making minimum wage at the time ($6.35/hr). Everything good comes with its evils I suppose. It seems though the level of socialism in the E.U. is making the economy sink...not enough money for all the bills...and the citizens are losing their rights. Same thing is happening in California. Kind of off topic but socialism gives them more power and to a politician there is no such things as enough power...they'll just keep taking more and more. It seems like thats what socialism turns into...arbitrary bans and idiotic legislation all because "they can". I don't live over there so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...just an outside observation.

[Fazer]

I would not be at all surprised if a referendum ended up in a "leave" vote - it certainly would if it was called today.

Yes, i think you're right, IF it was called today, and IF that number of different groups you're talking about got themselves organised, then yes i think you're on the money. But, we could be talking about the vote being 4 or 5 years away.

I've gone through periods of not having health insurance and its fu***** terrifying. I've had to go to the hospital with out it and ended up with a $3500 bill and was only making minimum wage at the time ($6.35/hr).

I think when my teenage daughter is my age, that's what the UK will be like

[Skell18]

Full right wing isn't the way either. Some socialist programs are good and its nice to have a safety net. It seems however once they start paying for healthcare, easy welfare access, etc...they start deciding what you can and can't put in your body. I've gone through periods of not having health insurance and its fu***** terrifying. I've had to go to the hospital with out it and ended up with a $3500 bill and was only making minimum wage at the time ($6.35/hr). Everything good comes with its evils I suppose. It seems though the level of socialism in the E.U. is making the economy sink...not enough money for all the bills...and the citizens are losing their rights. Same thing is happening in California. Kind of off topic but socialism gives them more power and to a politician there is no such things as enough power...they'll just keep taking more and more. It seems like thats what socialism turns into...arbitrary bans and idiotic legislation all because "they can". I don't live over there so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...just an outside observation.

It is a short trip to communism, which doesn't work.

[squeezyjohn]

And we're seeing that capitalism does now ... right?

[squeezyjohn]

Full right wing isn't the way either. Some socialist programs are good and its nice to have a safety net. It seems however once they start paying for healthcare, easy welfare access, etc...they start deciding what you can and can't put in your body. I've gone through periods of not having health insurance and its fu***** terrifying. I've had to go to the hospital with out it and ended up with a $3500 bill and was only making minimum wage at the time ($6.35/hr). Everything good comes with its evils I suppose. It seems though the level of socialism in the E.U. is making the economy sink...not enough money for all the bills...and the citizens are losing their rights. Same thing is happening in California. Kind of off topic but socialism gives them more power and to a politician there is no such things as enough power...they'll just keep taking more and more. It seems like thats what socialism turns into...arbitrary bans and idiotic legislation all because "they can". I don't live over there so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...just an outside observation.

I think that is a very good post ^^^

What is actually killing the EU is not the socialist principles ... but the bureaucracy that often goes with it. You have to keep a very close check on governments that you give these kinds of powers to and I think a good democracy does that well. The problem with the EU is that because we all vote in our national elections, the level of engagement with and the turnout in the European elections is so poor that they don't represent what most people think ... plus you're an even smaller fish in the voting system in the EU with a population nearly 10 times that of the UK at 500 million.

It's no wonder that the parliament in Brussels has become the loose canon full of fat cats with much more power than the people of Europe credit it with given the level of disengagement!

Cheers

Squeezy

[Frosted]

I agree about socialism squeezy - it's something that this country does well, but not with too much of it. The welfare system and NHS are something that the tories could destroy and that would be a disaster for the nation.
But - am I going to vote labour who are historically the party to champion these things? Am I hell as like. After their last p*** poor show it'd take a lot to get back my confidence in that party. Am I going to vote conservative and risk the NHS? Am I hell as like. Am I going to vote liberal democrats who are as competent in politics as my 3 legged cat? No. Will I vote UKIP?....possibly but it's a wasted vote unless it's for the European Parliament.
So I'm stuck lol.

[squeezyjohn]

I didn't say we had a good choice here!

If you vote UKIP - that's understandable. And you can see that Cameron is running scared of them over Europe. But I'd feel that the future of the NHS etc. would be much safer under a Conservative / LibDem coalition than a Conservative / UKIP one!

[Frosted]

I disagree Squeezy. I think that UKIP will enforce our 'Britishness' and in that I include the NHS, more than any other party would. On their website......."The principle of treatment free at the point of delivery is non-negotiable."

[Fazer]

I disagree Squeezy. I think that UKIP will enforce our 'Britishness' and in that I include the NHS, more than any other party would. On their website......."The principle of treatment free at the point of delivery is non-negotiable."

UKIP has my vote next time

[squeezyjohn]

Fair point!

But I'm afraid I find it hard to trust any party who base their policies around national identity rather than a set of principles.

Though it's hard to see any principles in the main parties too.

[Frosted]

But they don't just base their policies on national identity. Have a look at their website mate.

[squeezyjohn]

OK I will - I'm nothing if not open minded!

[Frankie Reloaded]

It is a short trip to communism, which doesn't work.

Last time I lived in it, it worked just fine. It just lost a war, albeit a cold one.