PACT Act Dead!!!!!

[ladysnus]

It's not over yet!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100312/pl_usnw/DC69478_1

The smart ones will stock up!

^^stock up on the brands that aren't SM. Like Skruf :cry: as we will never see them again. :x :shock: :cry:

[texasmade]

It's not over yet!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100312/pl_usnw/DC69478_1

The smart ones will stock up!

^^stock up on the brands that aren't SM. Like Skruf :cry: as we will never see them again. :x :shock: :cry:

and v2

[texasmade]

It's not over yet!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100312/pl_usnw/DC69478_1

The smart ones will stock up!

^^stock up on the brands that aren't SM. Like Skruf :cry: as we will never see them again. :x :shock: :cry:

and v2

[GoVegan]

Just what I do.


BTW, all you PITA Republicans that tried to make the PACT Act some type of Democrat issue. Note which members of which Paryt stepped up and stopped it. LMAO tonight.

This did not surprise me. I have been counseling since almost day one to not stress this. I have also said from almost day one that I did not expect it to pass the Senate despite the overwhelming support it got in the house. Senate just a different place.

And to everyone who has gone out and dropped a fortune on soon to be old snus "stocking up". LOL, sorry. :lol: :lol:

OK Sage - I am stressing now! Don't worry too much though. I have enough to go for about 8-10 months and will be glad to give you some "old" snus from time to time. That fortune will seem like a pittance when we get charged 7 bucks for a can of General OP.

[Owens187]

I agree.........can we start stressing yet? :roll:

[Liandri]

@Sage: You got ZINGED!

[knucklesnus]

Hey, can someone get me the short version of what is happening? I read somewhere in the thread that snus will be like $7 a can?

Come on tell me your kidding?

[LHB]

You have to look at your states tobacco tax table, which is posted somewhere around here on one of the PACT threads to find out for sure. I'm not sure if Massachusetts is a high tax state for smokeless tobacco, but it is for cigarettes. Texas is a high tax state on smokeless tobacco, so I could see it going up to $7 a can where I live, if I bought it through "legitimate" channels. It already sells for that much at the cigar stores that carry it.

[lxskllr]

I remember Massachusetts specifically because it was so ridiculous. They tax at 90% of value.

Edit:
You're in luck, I misremembered. It's only 90% of wholesale value :^D

Here's the tax list...

http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/resea...s/pdf/0169.pdf

[knucklesnus]

8.25 for a pack of cigarettes

[GoVegan]

It will be OK. Lazer lives in a state with no taxes on smokeless and we are all expecting him to ship us snus.

[LaZeR]

It will be OK. Lazer lives in a state with no taxes on smokeless and we are all expecting him to ship us snus.

I'll do my best. :wink: I'm just concerned with this "Democratic" run state what is going to be in the near future as they salivate on another opportunity to jump on the wagon and tax the shit out of us to.

[GoVegan]

awww Lazer - it will all work out but I knew you would be here for us.

[PipenSnus]

The PACT Act has nothing whatsoever to do with FDA Regulation of Tobacco Products. It was intended to increase state tax revenues by making it illegal for people to buy tobacco products through anything other than bricks and mortar facilities, preferably in the state in which the consumer resides. All the garbage about "The Children" was a load of crap.... Remember, FDA chiefs are political appointees, and a lot of what the FDA does is politically motivated.

Let me take your "wild speculation" one step further, and throw in my $.02. *putting on tinfoil hat*

The FDA is riddled with conflicts of interest -- mostly connections to the giant pharmaceutical companies. In essence, the FDA is more or less controlled by drug companies. Nobody knows for sure what set off the anti-tobacco mania of recent years, but there is evidence that someone or some group shelled out a lot of money to get it rolling. Doctors and other medical professionals quickly got on the bandwagon, too, but they're all shills for Big Pharma, too, whether they know it or not. The big drug companies have the big bucks, and the most to gain by controlling nicotine.

Call me a lunatic if you like, but my theory is that the big multinational drug companies want to drive all tobacco companies out of business, so they can have a complete monopoly on nicotine distribution. Millions of poor addicts, with nothing but nicotine gum and patches, doled out at whatever prices the market will bear by a handful of filthy rich profiteers looking to get even richer.

[shikitohno]

Let me take your "wild speculation" one step further, and throw in my $.02. *putting on tinfoil hat*

The FDA is riddled with conflicts of interest -- mostly connections to the giant pharmaceutical companies. In essence, the FDA is more or less controlled by drug companies. Nobody knows for sure what set off the anti-tobacco mania of recent years, but there is evidence that someone or some group shelled out a lot of money to get it rolling. Doctors and other medical professionals quickly got on the bandwagon, too, but they're all shills for Big Pharma, too, whether they know it or not. The big drug companies have the big bucks, and the most to gain by controlling nicotine.

Call me a lunatic if you like, but my theory is that the big multinational drug companies want to drive all tobacco companies out of business, so they can have a complete monopoly on nicotine distribution. Millions of poor addicts, with nothing but nicotine gum and patches, doled out at whatever prices the market will bear by a handful of filthy rich profiteers looking to get even richer.

Yeah, I don't really see that happening. The government does a poor enough job trying to balance the books with the massive taxes they get from tobacco. They want you to keep smoking. They just don't want you to blame them or dodge paying those taxes.