OLDE VIKING GINGER LIME

[truthwolf1]

There was a good article on SnusCentral about this company and the fact that this is fermented tobacco. A low fermented tsna tobacco is fine with me but to advertise as SNUS is not right. SNUS over a period of time fluctuates in a low range regarding TSNA but a fermented product starts out low but will hit unbelievable high rates over time.

I will not use their products until this is investigated further.

[texasmade]

There was a good article on SnusCentral about this company and the fact that this is fermented tobacco. A low fermented tsna tobacco is fine with me but to advertise as SNUS is not right. SNUS over a period of time fluctuates in a low range regarding TSNA but a fermented product starts out low but will hit unbelievable high rates over time.

I will not use their products until this is investigated further.

i thought the tsna's didnt start to rise until after the best before date?


if thats the case then you should give it a go because the date is way away atleast from the tins i've had

[truthwolf1]

There was a good article on SnusCentral about this company and the fact that this is fermented tobacco. A low fermented tsna tobacco is fine with me but to advertise as SNUS is not right. SNUS over a period of time fluctuates in a low range regarding TSNA but a fermented product starts out low but will hit unbelievable high rates over time.

I will not use their products until this is investigated further.

i thought the tsna's didnt start to rise until after the best before date?


if thats the case then you should give it a go because the date is way away atleast from the tins i've had

This product is advertising itself as SNUS but is not sticking to the family recipe. I think Klondike and Nordic also state they use a process similar to the Swedes and that makes me worry. When I am using SNUS I want to know that I am using real SNUS.
When I rarely use dip I know that it is DIP. This product should be called oral tobacco pouches not SNUS.

[LaZeR]

There was a good article on SnusCentral about this company and the fact that this is fermented tobacco. A low fermented tsna tobacco is fine with me but to advertise as SNUS is not right. SNUS over a period of time fluctuates in a low range regarding TSNA but a fermented product starts out low but will hit unbelievable high rates over time.

I will not use their products until this is investigated further.

:cry: I'm afraid to buys me some of this now. Didn't know it had fiberglass init. :x

[truthwolf1]

No Fiberglass but it is a conspiracy.

Here is a paragraph from the SnusCentral article.

http://www.snuscentral.org/snusnus/m...er-taboca.html

Here's the problem: There is Swedish snus and Swedish snus. All name-brand Swedish Snus manufacturers use steam pasteurization as part of their snus making process....not as much to achieve low TSNA levels at the factory, but to kill all the micro-organisms which will cause TNSA levels to grow and continue growing after they leave the factory. One new Swedish Snus company; GN tobacco, makers of Olde' Viking snus, use fermentation instead just like American moist snuff/dip. They too have a very low TSNA level at the factory but even when sealed, if there is air in the can the TSNA's will start slowly and then more rapidly rising until the carcinogen levels well exceed Reduced Harm standards.

[texasmade]

It was explained by Adrian

Olde Viking:

Since the lab has been a bit delayed with the result and measurements of Olde Viking we where not able to give you guys a correct TSNA level or a nicotine level. But today we have the report and i could confirm that the nicotine level is measured to be 9mg and TSNA level have been measured up to 0.5 PPM.

Snus consumption increased correspondingly and beat all records in 1919 when 7.000 tons of snus were sold. During the following years, the snus consumption decreased mainly in favour of cigarettes. In 1967 the national monopoly was dissolved and at the same time snus usage boosted when various reports stressed the health hazard smoking entailed. Until that time all Swedish Snus production was fermented above 60 Decrease Celcius and stored for around a week heating storages. The unique quality of Swedish Snus (=wet snus) is due to the manufacturing process (fermentation), which inactivates the main part of micro-organism that may exist. The process also minimizes the risk for formation of TSNA (tobacco specific nitrosamines) during the production.

During the 70’s individually portioned snus was introduced and sales have steadily increased since then. During 2003 more than 193 millions of snuscans, corresponding to 6.761 tons of snus, were sold in Sweden. Now days manufacturers are using pasteurizing methods to come by the high demands, steaming it around 110 Decrease Celcius for around 4 hours.

All the microorganisms will die out above 60 C and that process is above a week long. You don´t need to spit.

Regards
Adrian

it's just as safe. not a conspiracy because he told us how it was made, and I'll use it until someone proves otherwise. As long as it gets used up before long there souldn't be a problem.

[truthwolf1]

That sounds more like a history lesson then explaining exactly what they are doing. Yes, it is low tsna at first so enjoy it but I will stick with real snus.

[texasmade]

to each his own. it's not a constant for me but a can to check it out won't hurt.

i prefer the oden's line from gajane by far

[sgreger1]

Olde Viking Ginger Lime

Good god, that is a flavor? Where can I buy this and who makes it?

What is all this about it being some nordic or klondike shit? If that's what it is than no thank you, I still have several tins of that fake bs I never plan to use absent a nuclear war that leaves me trapped in my house.

But really, Olde... Viking... ginger.. lime. How can this flavor not be awesome?

[texasmade]

Olde Viking Ginger Lime

Good god, that is a flavor? Where can I buy this and who makes it?

What is all this about it being some nordic or klondike shit? If that's what it is than no thank you, I still have several tins of that fake bs I never plan to use absent a nuclear war that leaves me trapped in my house.

But really, Olde... Viking... ginger.. lime. How can this flavor not be awesome?

heh northerner has it.

i think buysnus does do

[sgreger1]

Any word on a stark version or no?

[Snusmun]

It's a modular stark. You have to put one on each side. :lol:

I haven't tried the spearmint version, but the one common complaint was that the flavor doesn't last very long. Hopefully that won't be the case here.

[Snusdog]

Warning: The following is a rant

A good rant,

But a rant nonetheless

read at your own risk

First of all I am not weighing in on the Old Viking debate one way or the other. However, this discussion raises a bigger issue in my opinion.

It has always been my concern that once snus crosses the pond, we will no longer be able to tell what is and is not snus. As with this thread there will be a whole lot of ambiguous and partial information with no possibility of getting to the bottom of the issue. Companies will report one set of data in hopes that none of their customers know how that data fluctuates and is effected by other data.

And so it will be us yoyos here on the forum raising hell at each other about various things we have read on other sites which just so happen to be written by a bunch of equally ignorant yoyos.

And forgive me for my skepticism but I am convinced that Swedish Match will be leading the way in the line blurring process.

If American production techniques (shortcuts) mean a bigger market share, SM will be the first in line to ditch the proud Swedish tradition all the while still marketing their product as “snus” under traditional snus brand names.

AND THEN THERE WILL BE THE BRANDING ISSUES AND RESTRICTIONS

The Swedish Match division in the USA will have sole distributor rights to Swedish Match products in the USA. Investors in the American based division will insist that the company to which they just bought the franchise rights is not simultaneously selling the franchised product in the investors own back yard. The result: only snus made here (under dubious production techniques) can be sold here. Shops in Sweden if they wish to continue carrying SM products will not sell them to USA customers.

And then we will get a dozen Bull Shit emails just like we did with Lucky Strikes and Camel about lawyers, and patens, and bla bla bla bla.

America is poison to the tobacco industry (be it how we produce it, portray it, or regulate it).

The global corporation is poison period. When lobbyist are being paid to shape American policy in the interest of global companies rather than US citizens---- you are getting screwed without even a cheep dinner and movie.

And so the fuzz begins

:x

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[lxskllr]

Astute observation Dog. We all like to think of SM as the good guys, but you can bet Swedish tobacco would be much closer to American if the government didn't force them to disclose their methods, and ingredients. I'd be concerned about any snus made on US soil, and I wouldn't trust a snus that didn't label according to Swedish standards. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm hoping to get all my snus created for the Swedish market.

[LaZeR]

Guess I might as well stock back up on Copenhagen whilst the gettins good. I think Sheetz still selling it 2 for $6 or something like that.