OLDE VIKING GINGER LIME

[Snusdog]

Guess I might as well stock back up on Copenhagen whilst the gettins good. I think Sheetz still selling it 2 for $6 or something like that.

No I don't think it is that bad yet Laz. However, I think it's important to let the companies and the web shops know that the market they already have (that's us) want snus and are not going to settle for corner cutting products. It matters to us how you make it. It matters what ingredients you put in it. It matters that it is or is not considered a food product.

Now this may not prevent SM and others from selling mutated snus substance to the jet setters in Veil or Wall Street but it just may keep real snus available for our little nitch market.

Think about it: Bla and Old Viking have both just offered us “almost” snus. Not a big deal. Just one step closer to a big deal.

Seldom in history has a beachhead been taken by force of arms. Most often, it is taken by the gentle washing of the sea- through a slow and persistent erosion.

The point is to just keep an eye out and let those who sell and make snus know that what they are doing matters to us.

Ahhh the sun is coming out.......it's a brighter day already......enough of all this gloom.

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[f. bandersnatch]

I agree wholeheartedly with the above statements. It's not an issue of to what extent the Olde Viking is a harm reduced product, its a question of whether or not it is snus. "Snus" itself is simply a word for Swedish snuff, so really, its a question of whether or not it is a pasteurized tobacco food product.

I don't think I will buy OV GL cause it sounds like a tea-based alcoholic drink one would get at a gay bar (not that there is anything wrong with that), but I would probably not buy it even if it was called "mead hall madness" or "Grendel blood" because of the manufacturing change.

"Beowulfs ball-sweat" should be the next OV release.

[Snusmun]

I see no problem with them taking a slightly different approach and offering a unique product. Their process is probably much closer to how "snus" was made for the vast majority of its 200 year history. I'm very interested to try it, along with the Bla, which I don't see as being as basterdized as many think.

That is a scary thought though to imagine being stuck with dubious domestically produced "snus". Obviously this process has already begun, but not from products like Olde Viking or Bla, but from Camel and Marlboro snus. But not being able to buy Scandinavian produced snus would be.....well so awful I don't really want to imagine it.

[Snusdog]

I see no problem with them taking a slightly different approach and offering a unique product. Their process is probably much closer to how "snus" was made for the vast majority of its 200 year history. I'm very interested to try it, along with the Bla, which I don't see as being as basterdized as many think.

That is a scary thought though to imagine being stuck with dubious domestically produced "snus". Obviously this process has already begun, but not from products like Olde Viking or Bla, but from Camel and Marlboro snus. But not being able to buy Scandinavian produced snus would be.....well so awful I don't really want to imagine it.

That's perfectly fine and I have no problem with that because you know exactly what you are getting have articulated quite well why you don't think it's that big of a deal. My concern would be the day we all stop watching and asking and just start assuming.

[Snusmun]

My concern would be the day we all stop watching and asking and just start assuming.

Yeah very good point. One of the reasons I want to try the Olde Viking is because Adrian took the time to explain some of the details about its manufacture. So I applaud that. He didn't have to do that, but that's what snus consumers demand, and that he knows. Never in a million years would a large American tobacco company explain those kind of details.

[tom502]

If I recall, he also said how pasturization is a rather new process. So, I would not say fermented snus is "not" snus.

[Snusdog]

If I recall, he also said how pasturization is a rather new process. So, I would not say fermented snus is "not" snus.

Exactly!!! See.... we are already arguing over terms.

Soon we won't know what the word "snus" on a tin of tobacco means.

All the while there will be 5000 inane threads fiercely debating the "real" processing method originally used to make snus.

And when we determine what that method was……….we still wont be any closer to knowing what is in the can we just bought.

Rule #1 clarify the terms, economies the language (i.e. keep it precise)

[f. bandersnatch]

To be clear, "snus" is simply the Swedish word for snuff, so all of this stuff is technically "snus". There is almost no validity in an argument over what is and what is not "snus".

What I am looking for is a tobacco product that has gone through a specific chemical process to kill certain bacteria that incubate the formation of nitrosamines (referred to as pasteurization). Olde Viking aint that. The "original" manufacture of snus holds no importance to me. People used to think that bleeding could cure illness, for god's sake. This is going to be a very rare instance in which I will laud the relentless march of progress.

To be clear, I do not stand in judgment of anyone that wants to use this stuff, and I am appreciative of Adrian taking the time to explain it to us. I see nothing wrong with taking a different approach, and the proper information was disseminated in a manner that is praiseworthy. I am simply pointing out that this stuff is manufactured in a way that is dissident from the process which initially attracted me to Scandinavian tobacco in the first place.

[Snusdog]

To be clear, "snus" is simply the Swedish word for snuff, so all of this stuff is technically "snus". There is almost no validity in an argument over what is and what is not "snus".

What I am looking for is a tobacco product that has gone through a specific chemical process to kill certain bacteria that incubate the formation of nitrosamines (referred to as pasteurization). Olde Viking aint that. The "original" manufacture of snus holds no importance to me. People used to think that bleeding could cure illness, for god's sake. This is going to be a very rare instance in which I will laud the relentless march of progress.

To be clear, I do not stand in judgment of anyone that wants to use this stuff, and I am appreciative of Adrian taking the time to explain it to us. I see nothing wrong with taking a different approach, and the proper information was disseminated in a manner that is praiseworthy. I am simply pointing out that this stuff is manufactured in a way that is dissident from the process which initially attracted me to Scandinavian tobacco in the first place.

Very well put!!!