PACT, the bill it's self!

[Snusdog]

danielan

That would be option #2.

And certainly the whole world seems to stand with you

And if that is indeed how we use language..................we are screwed beyond our wildest and most horrific dreams

[LaZeR]

I actually had some hope reading your thoughts and posts DaWg. But then danielan makes some valid points to. I'm afraid we all just need to assume the position and just see how far they stick it in after June 29th.

sorry about the bold, I tried to copy/paste something in here then aborted the mission and the damn thing is stuck on bold. wtf...

[danielan]

we are screwed beyond our wildest and most horrific dreams

Yeah, maybe. But it could be worse.

Snus is currently legal. Northerner and Getsnus and SnusJet are in the US.

They can still import snus.

Now, If they can get a brick and morter tobacconist to stock their lines of snus within a few hours of me at some point within the next 5 years, then I'm ok.

Snus keeps pretty well and a road trip every 3 to 6 months is fine for me. Really, I could do a long weekend and go as far as Chicago, St. Louis or Denver if I have to.

I can get General locally now - I can live with that.

I don't see UPS staying in the game too long. Too much bad press, too little volume/profit.

I'm not happy about it, but I think this is our new reality (B&M only) - probably within a year - rickcharles606, Northerner and Swedish Match are our best hope IMO.

[StuKlu]

Wtf?

[GoVegan]

Let's hope this bill doesn't pass. It will make things really suck for us snus users!

[chadizzy1]

Let's hope this bill doesn't pass. It will make things really suck for us snus users!

You're killing me dude

[GoVegan]

Sorry - I am trying to avoid chores right now and I am bored.

[Mykislt]

Sorry - I am trying to avoid chores right now and I am bored.

rofl

ŽŽŽŽŽ

[rickcharles606]

when I looked at SnusOn tonight, I was like WTF..."is GoVegan the savior of dead threads?" Besides you shouldn't have chores on MLK day

[snusgetter]

Let's hope this bill doesn't pass. It will make things really suck for us snus users!

When is this up for a vote?
I doubt if there are too many idiots in Congress who would vote for such injustice!

[Snusdog]

When is this up for a vote?
I doubt if there are too many idiots in Congress who would vote for such injustice!

Only time will tell....................but until then...............I am sticking to my original point....................the bill as worded will not require state taxes to be collec........ ...................awe damn!!!!

[stubby2]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/02/23/34392.htm

I'm not getting my hopes up...... but at least let me dream a bit

(CN) - The D.C. Circuit ordered a federal judge to reconsider whether banning the sale of cigarettes through the mail and online violates the U.S. Constitution.
The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act took effect last summer after being passed by Congress to combat illegal trafficking and cigarette sales to minors. The law prohibits the post office from delivering cigarettes sold on the Internet and forces Native American vendors to pay excise taxes to local and state governments.
Robert Gordon, a member of the Seneca Nation of Indians who sells tobacco products online and by mail from upstate New York, claimed that the act cost him nearly all his business. Before the law was enacted, Gordon said Internet and phone sales accounted for 95 percent of his business.
Gordon filed a suit in Washington, D.C., one day before the PACT Act was to go into effect, citing constitutional violations and infringement on tribal sovereignty.
A federal judge denied Gordon's motion for a restraining order and preliminary injunction, finding that the Seneca Nation member filed the motion at the 11th hour and that stopping congressional regulations went against public interest
On appeal, a three-judge panel found Friday that the District Court had abused its discretion and revived Gordon's suit and remanded the case for further proceedings.
"First, the District Court erred by relying on the late hour of the filing," Circuit Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote for the court. "At the time of Gordon's filing, the statute had yet to go into effect. A motion seeking to enjoin a statute's enforcement before the statute may legally be enforced is timely - or at least not late - by definition."
Brown went on to say that even if the filing was untimely, it still would not have been a proper basis to deny the injunction.
The appeals court also found that the District Court failed to meaningfully weigh certain factors involved in deciding whether to issue an injunction, and wrongly based its decision on a vague claim of acting in public interest.
"By summarily citing to the public's interest without elaboration, the District Court abdicated its responsibility to fully analyze the one factor on which it did rely," the ruling states. "Consequently, we cannot be sure the District Court's analysis of the public interest was complete."
The Seneca Free Trade Association estimated that more than 140 businesses like Gordon's on the Seneca territory were going to be affected by the law, according to his lawsuit. And one-eighth of 8,000 enrolled Seneca Nation members will lose their jobs as a result.
The Seneca Nation said the PACT Act legislation materialized after substantial lobbying efforts from Big Tobacco and the National Association of Convenience Stores.
Those found to be in violation of the act are currently subject to civil fines or felony charges that carry three-year prison sentences.

[fishmeat]

Is there such thing as paying too much tax? Should I contact The Northerner at the end of the year to itemize my bills so I can say I paid way too damn much in PACT taxes? Better yet, can I claim that tax and attempt to get some of it back? I am sure I am paying way too much. I live in Florida and I know other states/countries have it worse, but when I go to buy a roll of Onyx and my tax is well over 50% of the cost, something an'it right here.

[snusgetter]

Is there such thing as paying too much tax? Should I contact The Northerner at the end of the year to itemize my bills so I can say I paid way too damn much in PACT taxes? Better yet, can I claim that tax and attempt to get some of it back? I am sure I am paying way too much. I live in Florida and I know other states/countries have it worse, but when I go to buy a roll of Onyx and my tax is well over 50% of the cost, something an'it right here.

Blame it on the children!!




It's all their faults .... for being born!!

[chadizzy1]

If for some reason the Senecas get an exemption, we should ask them to carry snus and we can order from them.