The PACT Act is bad but don't forget the Tobacco Control Act

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  • Joe234
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    • Apr 2010
    • 1948

    The PACT Act is bad but don't forget the Tobacco Control Act

    The PACT Act is bad but don't forget the Tobacco Control Act



    Written by Larry Waters Monday, 14 June 2010 08:47





    While the PACT Act has been getting most of attention in the tobacco world this month, the Tobacco Control Act which goes into effect Jun 22, 2010 is far and away the greater danger. While the PACT Act will slash Internet availability of all tobacco products including Real Swedish snus and will cause significant price increases, these products will at least still remain available for those of the legal age and means to purchase them.
    The Tobacco Act, which falls under FDA, is more insidious. Through a series of advisories and opinions, FDA seems bent on make all tobacco products so unpalatable and nicotine-poor as to be useless. FDA issues so-called Draft Guidance documents which give a clear look at how FDA intends to interpret the Tobacco Act; often far beyond the language of the law itself.
    The subject of FDA's June 4th Draft Guidance to the Tobacco Industry & FDA Employees is centered around “Harmful and Potentially Harmful Constituents” in Tobacco Products. Below is an excerpt of just Section III. Pay particular attention to III b. 3).:
    III. DISCUSSION

    For the purpose of establishing “a list of harmful and potentially harmful constituents, including smoke constituents, to health in each tobacco product by brand and by quantity in each brand and subbrand,” as required under section 904(e) of the Act, FDA believes that the phrase “harmful and potentially harmful constituent” includes any chemical or chemical compound in a tobacco product or in tobacco smoke:

    a) that is or potentially is inhaled, ingested, or absorbed into the body; and

    b) that causes or has the potential to cause direct or indirect harm to users or non-users of tobacco products. Examples of constituents that have the “potential to cause direct harm” to users or non-users of tobacco products include constituents that are toxicants, carcinogens, and addictive chemicals and chemical compounds. Examples of constituents that have the “potential to cause indirect harm” to users or non-users of tobacco products include constituents that may increase the exposure to the harmful effects of a tobacco product constituent by: 1) potentially facilitating initiation of the use of tobacco products; 2) potentially impeding cessation of the use of tobacco products; or 3) potentially increasing the intensity of tobacco product use (e.g., frequency of use, amount consumed, depth of inhalation). Another example of a constituent that has the “potential to cause indirect harm” is a constituent that may enhance the harmful effects of a tobacco product constituent.

    While it may be about as dangerous as caffeine in coffee or chocolate, we do know FDA doesn't like nicotine (unless it's in gum or a patch) with a passion. The Tobacco Control Act does specifically forbid FDA from banning nicotine in tobacco products but doesn't stop them from reducing either the legal amount or affect nicotine has. Since pH is one of the components key to making nicotine more bio-available to the user, moisture or anything else enhancing moisture such as the infamous E500 humectin could be banned....maybe even rewetting the portions which is a critical part of Swedish original portion snus manufacturing could be considered a war crime!
    Translation? Everything will look like dried out Camel/Marlboro snus and have about just as much free nicotine.
    Before all you Anti-All-Tobacco Extremists start congratulating yourselves, consider a few things. Tobacco and Swedish Snus in particular may not be to your liking, but they are legal products in the United States. They are already punitively taxed to pay for programs totally unrelated to tobacco or "the children". The tobacco tax rape has now spread to the Internet with the Pact Act.
    How many of you AAT Extremists enjoy non-diet soda and soft drinks? The Fat Tax is already being written which would punitively tax sugared and high calorie soft drinks. I've enjoyed reading the Letters to the Editors sections around the country where indignant citizens are up in arms over this. "Hey, I like Coke but I'm not fat. Why don't you just tax the FAT people?"
    So we have a crisis of tobacco related illnesses, the primary illness being the amount sold without being "fairly" taxed. Washington's response is to rape the wallets of cigarette smokers, smokeless tobacco and snus users......but not cigar smokers. In fact, America has lots of "crisis's" just calling out to be solved by increased taxation.
    Now we have a fat crisis. Childhood obesity and type 2 diabetes cases have increased exponentially from just 15 years ago. The Big Government solution? Tax soda....to start with. Energy drinks? they are practically all glucose, caffeine, and stimulant herbs. Those will have to be taxed too. FDA has already gone after the food industry concerning salt content.
    I must ask a key question of Washington , Tobacco, and Food Extremists: how is this helping "the children"? How is this solving your core issues? The answer seems simple: it's not. It is already illegal for children to purchase or possess ANY tobacco products. It's also illegal for children to buy, drink, or possess alcohol and for anyone to possess illegal drugs in the United States. Does the California Solution of legalizing marijuana for recreational use and taxing it make your children any safer? It certainly won't make them thinner. Or does it just rape the wallets of yet another sub-set of Americans?
    Children are fatter today because the most exercise they get is playing Wii basketball. Adults in the US are fatter today because they too are so wired into the electronic reality of today. Why grow a garden when you can play Farmville on Facebook?
    Not everyone can afford the gym five days a week. Not everyone has the time or energy for jogging or walking when they work two or more jobs trying to stay afloat in the ongoing Depression of 2010.
    Speaking of depression, the entire Country is stressed out over current events and their own circumstances. Comfort food is easier than treadmills. Comfort and high carbohydrate foods are also much less expensive than then organically grown, hand raised, free range lettuce. With all the taxes, fee's and other 'revenue enhancers' the citizens of the US are being hit with today combined with the poor economy, not everyone can afford to shop at Whole Foods, Market Street, or any other "healthy" yet incredibly expensive food market.
    Is the solution to all the above and anything else enough people don't like really as simple as just raising the taxes? Will "the children" become thinner and healthier by punitively taxing their parents? Should an adult have to pay more for Coca Cola because they just don't like Diet Coke? How does this help anyone except those in government who feast on tax dollars?
    In the case of "the children", first and foremost they and their actions are the responsibility of their Parents; not the State. The phrase, It takes a Village used to mean neighbors helped neighbors. Today it means the Nanny State is responsible for raising your children and micro-managing your behavior to what ivory tower social engineers in Washington consider proper. Or what industry lobbyists and special interests consider to be in their best interests.
    We live in a society today where Words ARE Actions. Showing concern for a problem equates to constructively addressing it. Today as millions of gallons of crude oil continue to gush into the Gulf of Mexico, President Obama is taking 21st Century Action. Monday night, he is forcefully going to interrupt prime time television and make nasty and hard-hitting statements about BP.
    This Presidential address is critical to solving the catastrophe as Mr. Ombama's previous solution of finding out "whose ass to kick" proved ineffective in stopping the gushing oil. Sadly, the President's address will accomplish nothing beyond disrupting DVR/Tivo programming schedules for millions of Americans who have other, more important things to do Monday evening....like trying to survive or watch the TV hit, Dancing with your Sister.
    The difference between Mr. Obama's words and the FDA's words is that in the case of FDA, words DO mean something. In the case of cigarette smokers, FDA is taking action to ensure no real-world viable alternative to cigarette smoking such as Swedish Snus ever takes hold in the US....because the Congress voted to let them....the President signed it into law....all the while, being cheered on by the Anti-All-Tobacco Extremists, Big American Tobacco, and Big Pharmaceutical.
    Welcome to Amerika 2010; land of the taxed and home of special interests. It's no tea party living here anymore.


    LARRY WATERS
    Activist Snus Lord
    Shining the Light of Truth from SnusCENTRAL.org
  • AtreyuKun
    Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 1223

    #2
    I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.I hope 2012 is real.

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    • snusgetter
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      • May 2010
      • 10903

      #3
      At least for most f-n pols!!

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      • AtreyuKun
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        • Aug 2009
        • 1223

        #4
        Really now. How long are we going to let the overseers get away with this shit?
        Like they give a goddamn flipping rats nutsack about kids or your health. Power power power.
        I won't say it here because of the overseers magical third eye, but it's like Lennon said about the constitution and evolution, we need to step up. We need to rise up, rise against all forms of tyranny. Right, left who cares? Just a newer spokes-model for the same old machine. They're not going to stop until we all have numbers on our forehead. This shit is permeating all aspects of our lives. We see it on TV, and most of us see the coming storm in our jobs. Dumb us down, dumb us down.
        Well I say **** the government. **** the FDA. We need to rise up. Not talking tea party. Not talking "getting back to our biblical roots" jive either. I'm talking take this shit way back. **** society.
        I'd better stop before the little boys in black get here.

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        • tom502
          Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 8985

          #5
          I think 2012 really might be something, big.

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          • snusgetter
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            • May 2010
            • 10903

            #6
            They're already here...

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            I'd better stop before the little boys in black get here.
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            • tom502
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              • Feb 2009
              • 8985

              #7
              They are looking for snus too.

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              • snusgetter
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                • May 2010
                • 10903

                #8
                Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                They are looking for snus too.
                The new snusbag collectors...

                Let's hope they don't think it's Lipton without the string and the tag!!

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                • tom502
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                  • Feb 2009
                  • 8985

                  #9

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                  • Langdell
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                    • Jun 2010
                    • 255

                    #10
                    Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                    I think 2012 really might be something, big.
                    The Wayans warned us!

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                    • EricHill78
                      Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 4253

                      #11
                      Is this something we should worry about? Are they really going to change snus in the foreseeable future?

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                      • tom502
                        Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 8985

                        #12
                        I guess it's possible, but not just snus. Who knows, I hope not.

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                        • EricHill78
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                          • Jun 2010
                          • 4253

                          #13
                          Same reasoning they would go after liqour contents in whiskey, vodka, tequila etc
                          because it causes liver damage

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                          • sgreger1
                            Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 9451

                            #14
                            Originally posted by AtreyuKun View Post
                            Really now. How long are we going to let the overseers get away with this shit?
                            Like they give a goddamn flipping rats nutsack about kids or your health. Power power power.
                            I won't say it here because of the overseers magical third eye, but it's like Lennon said about the constitution and evolution, we need to step up. We need to rise up, rise against all forms of tyranny. Right, left who cares? Just a newer spokes-model for the same old machine. They're not going to stop until we all have numbers on our forehead. This shit is permeating all aspects of our lives. We see it on TV, and most of us see the coming storm in our jobs. Dumb us down, dumb us down.
                            Well I say **** the government. **** the FDA. We need to rise up. Not talking tea party. Not talking "getting back to our biblical roots" jive either. I'm talking take this shit way back. **** society.
                            I'd better stop before the little boys in black get here.


                            God so much win in this post. And we joke about men in black coming and dissapearing us for being political dissidents, but someday in the not to distant future that will be a reality. Posting on a forum like this may be deemed a terrorist act. We are heading down a road to Tyranny, that much is for sure.

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                            • shikitohno
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                              • Jul 2009
                              • 1156

                              #15
                              Joe234, that article is totally out of line. I only spend about $60-$70 a week at Whole Foods and I eat comfortably. They're not that expensive if you get the right stuff and cook your own meals...

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