Eu revision of tobacco products directive

[visiON]

My friend, started smoking when he was 14... Couldn't quit with patch,gums,cold turkey but snus worked. Still snuses, now 18.
EU is trying to f**k up the people who snus and quit smoking using snus.

Prohibition RARELY works, if at all..

-The maximum content of tar(10mg),nicotine(1mg) and carbon monoxide(10mg) per cigarette
-Ban on oral tobacco

How the hell is that supposed to make sense?!?

[snusgetter]

My friend, started smoking when he was 14... Couldn't quit with patch,gums,cold turkey but snus worked. Still snuses, now 18.
EU is trying to f**k up the people who snus and quit smoking using snus.

Prohibition RARELY works, if at all..


How the hell is that supposed to make sense?!?

When it comes to tobacco, making sense is not part of the equation!

Anti-tobacco nazis are an over-emotional lot and forcefully spew emotional
vitriol disguised as scientific data. And don't you dare question their methods!!

[visiON]

When it comes to tobacco, making sense is not part of the equation!

Anti-tobacco nazis are an over-emotional lot and forcefully spew emotional
vitriol disguised as scientific data./ And don't you dare question their methods!!

That reminds me of the 'God said it , I believe it, that settles it!'
Which in this case is, 'Anti-tobacco nazis say it, I believe them, that settles it!'

[snusgetter]

That reminds me of the 'God said it , I believe it, that settles it!'
Which in this case is, 'Anti-tobacco nazis say it, I believe them, that settles it!'

Well, it's about time you get with the program!!

[khalid]

When it comes to tobacco, making sense is not part of the equation!

Anti-tobacco nazis are an over-emotional lot and forcefully spew emotional
vitriol disguised as scientific data. And don't you dare question their methods!!

Aren't you playing their game somewhat? The phrase Anti-tobacco nazi strikes me as very emotionally charged. Don't get me wrong, I am totally opposed to the regulation as it stands and any amendments. It is the primitive emotion of this, as you rightly say, that allows for common sense or scientific data to fade into the background in decision making. Responding to emotional discourse with equally forceful and emotional rebukes just seems to amplify the confusing and disorganising effect.

[lxskllr]

Aren't you playing their game somewhat? The phrase Anti-tobacco nazi strikes me as very emotionally charged. Don't get me wrong, I am totally opposed to the regulation as it stands and any amendments. It is the primitive emotion of this, as you rightly say, that allows for common sense or scientific data to fade into the background in decision making. Responding to emotional discourse with equally forceful and emotional rebukes just seems to amplify the confusing and disorganising effect.

I won't address these people in terms other than zealot, nazi, or other equally fitting descriptors. It's my personal campaign to dehumanize them, and attempt to take any legitimacy they may have. AFAIC, they're subhuman, and aren't fit to breathe the same air as me. Anyone willing to strong arm my rights away through the power of government is my enemy. They don't have the balls the to take my snus tin on their own by force. They'll lie and distort facts to take it surreptitiously.

[tom502]

Total government control. That's their, and the Obama agenda.

[chainsnuser]

The day the Germans traded the Mark for a shared currency with mañana banana republics like Greece, Spain Italy and Portugal is a day marked in history

A little off-topic, but 8 years ago, still suffering from the idiotically conducted currency union with the "no banana mañana" commie republic of Eastern Germany, the Euro wasn't really illogical for the reunited country. Today on the other hand, it's a bit different again.

Chainsnuser you really need to make an annual trip to Malmö and buy a years supply of tobacky here. I´ll show you the right place to go

Thanks, chossy! I already thought about Malmö ... or the ferry to Åland maybe. We'll see.

The new directive will not mean the end of the world, I guess, but then again, since it's scheduled for 2012 (thanks for finding that info, khalid!), I'm not so sure, LOL.

Cheers!

[khalid]

I wouldn't address them at all.
My thought is this, all be it in vernacular borrowed from Ken Kesey. "Don't play their game, just turn your back on it and say, **** it!"

[snusgetter]

Aren't you playing their game somewhat? The phrase Anti-tobacco nazi strikes me as very emotionally charged. Don't get me wrong, I am totally opposed to the regulation as it stands and any amendments. It is the primitive emotion of this, as you rightly say, that allows for common sense or scientific data to fade into the background in decision making. Responding to emotional discourse with equally forceful and emotional rebukes just seems to amplify the confusing and disorganising effect.

The name Anti-Tobacco Nazi gives little room to misunderstanding that group of
individuals who wish to impose their will on everyone who disagrees with them
when it comes to tobacco usage of any kind.

How is the anti-tobacco nazi movement different from the Nazi Anti-Tobacco Movement?

The anti-tobacco campaign of the Nazis

Germany had the world's strongest antismoking movement in the 1930s
and early 1940s, encompassing bans on smoking in public spaces, bans
on advertising, restrictions on tobacco rations for women, and the world's
most refined tobacco epidemiology, linking tobacco use with the already
evident epidemic of lung cancer.

So far, the only difference I've been able to find is that the Nazi Anti-Tobacco
Movement was armed poltically & militarily, and today's Anti-Tobacco Nazi is
armed with political power and money.

[snusgetter]

I wouldn't address them at all.
My thought is this, all be it in vernacular borrowed from Ken Kesey. "Don't play their game, just turn your back on it and say, **** it!"

I disagree. Why should they be the only side to get their message out?
I realize our efforts might be as futile as pissing in the wind but I refuse
to just give up and give them the stage to themselves to spew their
venom without accountability.

[lxskllr]

I disagree. Why should they be the only side to get their message out?
I realize our efforts might be as futile as pissing in the wind but I refuse
to just give up and give them the stage to themselves to spew their
venom without accountability.

That's how I see it. If 1 otherwise disinterested person changes their viewpoint on account of me, then it's all worth it. Say nothing, and they win by default.

[khalid]

That's how I see it. If 1 otherwise disinterested person changes their viewpoint on account of me, then it's all worth it. Say nothing, and they win by default.

"If just one child is saved from cancer caused by tobacco use then all our efforts will have been worth it."
Same game.

A bit flippant of me, I'll grant you. I just feel that to be able to think clearly and re pose the debate, it is necessary to disengage. The debate is always a version of, 'when did you stop beating your wife.' Button pushing, confusion enducing, mind fogging, nonsense. Any engagement with the frame of the debate puts you on the back foot. Don't play their game.

I agree that this is about total power, there are no principles at play here. There is no argument to win, as they can just change up the frame of the debate. They believe in nothing but power.

[lxskllr]

"If just one child is saved from cancer caused by tobacco use then all our efforts will have been worth it."
Same game.

Except my viewpoint places responsibility on the individual where it belongs, not in the hands of government ;^)

[precious007]

How much loose SNUS can a moose on the loose SNUS if a moose could SNUS loose SNUS

A can of Skruf Extra Sterk Los