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  • RobsanX
    Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 2030

    Obama is bad for business?

    Then why are corporate profits at near historic highs?

    Corporate Profits 'Near-Historic' In Second Quarter, Thanks To Cost-Cutting

    Corporate America finished the second quarter with "near-historic" profits, largely by cutting costs, laying off employees and streamlining operations, the Wall Street Journal reports.

    Profits for companies in the S&P 500 soared 38 percent from the same period last year, hitting $189 billion, the WSJ says, the sixth-highest quarterly total ever. S&P analysts expect the trend to have continued in the third quarter.

    Since 2008, corporate profits increased 10 percent -- but revenue was down 6 percent, the WSJ says. To achieve the impressive quarterly results, companies have had, as the WSJ puts it, to "streamline" their operations. This means firing workers, outsourcing labor and shuttering unprofitable (or less profitable) divisions.

    The robust state of corporate profits presents a paradox: companies won't spend their money until the economy improves, but the economy won't improve until they spend their money. An increase in hiring, for example, would help drive a recovery. The New York Times reports this "chicken-and-egg" phenomenon, noting that near-zero interest rates have encouraged companies to borrow money and simply hoard it because, as the NYT puts it, "they can." Combined, companies have $1.6 trillion in cash, the paper notes. In the first quarter of this year, their cash reserves represented the highest percentage of assets since 1964.

    "They are still holding on to more cash in the same way that Noah built the ark," Gluskin Sheff chief economist David Rosenberg told the NYT.

    As HuffPost's Shahien Nasiripour reported in August, bank profits during the second quarter rose 21 percent to almost $22 billion, the highest level in three years.

    All these corporate profits came as the country as a whole got poorer. The net worth of households and non-profits dropped 2.8 percent during the second quarter to $53.5 trillion, erasing two quarters of gains. The figure hadn't been that low since the third quarter of 2009.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_748889.html
  • WickedKitchen
    Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 2528

    #2
    Partially because hiring someone does not simply involved paying them wages. There are other taxes levied on businesses that pay employees. Some of these are based on the employees salaries, some are based on the number of employees.

    The frustrating part for me is that I have to fight to get my company to shell out some advertising dollars for me. They don't want to do it 'cos my area has been less profitable as of late than other areas. They want to put the money into the more profitable areas. From a business standpoint, I can't blame them but I fight for the money to try to make some hay. I won this time around and got a nice display for a home show I did. It cost them several thousand dollars to build and ship to me but now I've got to make good on that. Well, I had a sale last night directly from it so it's working so far. The thing is the companies have to look strong as far as profitability goes.

    We recently moved our factory from a rented space to an owned space. They needed a several million dollar loan to do this but the commercial RE industry was ripe for it so they jumped on it. Before they did it, they closed some areas that were under performers. They had to streamline to gain the leverage needed to take on a loan. To be more flexible, viable, and technically profitable. We made more profit when we were larger, but the percentage profit was lower. In order to look more financially strong they had to get that percentage up. They did it by taking a small loss. I think this same thing is fairly common. It's driven by the banks, not the businesses.

    Plus, just providing a job doesn't cut it. The job has to be productive, and profitable. I think that consumer confidence is more of a factor here. Stories like this make it seem like the businesses are raping the common man. This is simply not the case. Without customers these companies would not have the profits. Somebody had to buy their product(s) and there was good reason to do so. Another thing is that it's better for a corporation to show a lower profit and invest the dollars in themselves rather than pay the higher tax on corporate income. I think it's a question of what's the lesser of two evils here, tax on profits, or risk of investing in something that might fail. It seems many are choosing the former and I think that's due to consumer confidence. We already saw it. When the stimulus provided most of us with a check for about $400 a very large number (I don't know how large though) used that money to pay off a credit card...to pay some debt. That undermined the entire plan. The general public is not confident enough to spend the money if they get it. So why give it? I realize that's a blanket statement and I don't intend it to be, but there's a larger force at play here...fear. Many people, like myself, feel that we might be sitting in a front row seat watching the downfall of an empire. Fear causes everyone to pull back...business and common folk alike.

    My idea is that we need something to look forward too and something to produce, and something to be proud of. We need to make stuff and export it. Something that nobody else has. I just wish I knew what that was.

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    • justintempler
      Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 3090

      #3
      Other then setting the tone there's not much Obama can do. A lot of the anti-business comes from buisness itself.

      If you are in the coal industry you don't want nuclear or solar to get tax breaks.
      If you're in the insurance industry you campaign against national health care.
      If your in the liquor business in California you campaign against Prop 19 .
      Back in the 1930s it was the paper industry that saw hemp (hemp paper) as competition.
      The worse the economy is, the more protective companies are of their existing customers, they don't want new business start ups.

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #4
        Business is doing well right now because they have been able to use the economy as an excuse to trim some fat. They have laid off all but essential employees and are therefore more profitable due to reduced overhead. That's why they are doing good, not because of Obama.


        But large corporations aren't even what relaly matters in America. Small business is really the foundation of the country and smallbusiness is who makes the most jobs. They could definately be doing better right now.

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        • Veganpunk
          Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 5381

          #5
          The second largest staffed company in the Country next to the government, Wal-Mart. I wouldn't call that a small business.

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          • sgreger1
            Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 9451

            #6
            Originally posted by Veganpunk View Post
            The second largest staffed company in the Country next to the government, Wal-Mart. I wouldn't call that a small business.

            ? Did I mention wal mart somehow and forget? I never said anything about Wal Mart being a small business. I am saying that small and medium sized businesses are who employs the vast majority of Americans. Wal Mart employs a lot of people, but relative to small business it is nothing.


            Walmart employs 1.3 million people in the US. Impressive, but hardly some major player in job creation considering there are nearly 400 million people here, and all but 10% of them have jobs.

            http://www.walmartfacts.com/FactShee...rate_Facts.pdf

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            • justintempler
              Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 3090

              #8
              The number I heard today (I don't know if it's true) Is 40% of jobs today are in companies founded after 1980.
              Job creation comes mostly from new companies.
              Especially in a recession, large companies tighten their belts to increase profits, that's why Wall Street is doing so good.

              As far as WalMart goes, have they really created any jobs? or just displaced mom and pops. Every time a WalMart expands, they take jobs away from their competition. And that also says nothing about the manufacturing jobs lost becasue they replace American made goods with Chinese made goods.

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              • sgreger1
                Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 9451

                #9
                Originally posted by justintempler View Post
                The number I heard today (I don't know if it's true) Is 40% of jobs today are in companies founded after 1980.
                Job creation comes mostly from new companies.
                Especially in a recession, large companies tighten their belts to increase profits, that's why Wall Street is doing so good.

                As far as WalMart goes, have they really created any jobs? or just displaced mom and pops. Every time a WalMart expands, they take jobs away from their competition. And that also says nothing about the manufacturing jobs lost becasue they replace American made goods with Chinese made goods.

                Excelent point. They wipe out mom and pop stores, and lower the cost of labor in entire communities, plus they take away from our domestic product by selling only shit made in other countries. Wal Mart is overall everything that is wrong with America right now.

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                • tom502
                  Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 8985

                  #10
                  All the old-time jobs were production and manufacturing factories. They have all been sent out of the country.

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