Germany Is A Christian Nation

[justintempler]

Merkel sticks foot in mouth....

She was targeting the Turkish Immigrants but I think she forgot there are people of other (and no) faiths in her country. I guess she forgot about Nietzsche and the Holocaust?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101017...ionimmigration

"We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here," said the chancellor.

[GENERAL BILLY]

It must be hard being German. No matter what your intent you can always be whacked with the Nazi stick. I suppose there are worst things...

[justintempler]

Well her biggest gripes were learning German and stopping the custom of arranged marriages. Those are reasonable requests but...

The problem is women having equal rights and having the right to choose who to marry is not a Christian value. It didn't come from the bible and it wasn't until the 20th century that women got those rights. Women fought for those rights they didn't get them from Christianity. I also wonder about how German Christian values address their gay and lesbian citizens? Should they leave the country too?

And since when is learning the language of the country you live in is a Christian value?

There are a lot of agnostics and atheists in Germany.

According to organizational reportings based on projections in 2008 about 34.1% Germans have no registered religious denomination. According to a poll by Der Spiegel magazine, 45% believe in God, and just a quarter in Jesus Christ
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According to the Eurobarometer Poll 2005, 47% of German citizens agreed with the statement "I believe there is a God", whereas 25% agreed with "I believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 25% said "I do not believe there is any sort of spirit, god, or life force".

source

[Ainkor]

I always took European countries as a bit more progressive and not nearly as religious as the good 'ol U S of A. Those are some surprising quotes.

I think that any country that fancies itself as a nation of what ever religion is setting itself up for issues.

On a positive note, based on passed history, if Germany does collectively decide to follow that path at least we know they will be pretty darn successful at it, as long as they let the generals run the fighting part.

[tom502]

For a nation to succeed, it must have a culturocentrism.

[jamesstew]

For a nation to succeed, it must have a culturocentrism.

A prominent German Christian in the first half of the 20th century shared these views.

[jamesstew]

A prominent German Christian in the first half of the 20th century shared these views.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

Adolph Hitler, 1922

[tom502]

It's obvious that muticulturalism does not work.

[truthwolf1]

I miss Old Europe.

[jamesstew]

It's obvious that muticulturalism does not work.

Agreed, cosmopolitanism is a better ideal IMO. Everybody's culture integrating into the culture as a whole instead of segregating everyone into groups; Identity Politics hasn't really worked.

[NonServiam]

I always took European countries as a bit more progressive and not nearly as religious as the good 'ol U S of A. Those are some surprising quotes.

I used to think the same thing, but I've seen a handful of stories, primarily from Poland, of people being charged with "offending religious feelings" which, if found guilty, would carry a prison term.

In both of these linked cases below, the charges were eventually dropped, but had the defendants not been musicians claiming artistic license, they may have very well been found guilty and sent to prison.

At least in the United States, a musician or anyone for that matter, is free to voice their disapproval of religion or government to some extent. Many U.S. cities have similar "offending religious feeling" type ordinances, but if anyone were to take their charge to a higher court it would more than likely be dismissed as covered under the First Amendment.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...sitemID=142239

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=33681

[shikitohno]

That's Poland, though. Poland is batsh¡t insane and something like 96% Roman Catholic last time I checked. If you look back a while ago, this is the same country that told a woman she would be arrested if she had an abortion, even though her doctors said the pregnancy might kill her, because the Pope frowns on that. She wound up going almost totally blind, but it was all okay, because at least her soul was saved, right?

[tom502]

Most so-called "Christian Nations" are because of their founding history, while currently they are of a large mix of peoples and operate on a secular system. America is considered a "Christian Nation", as it's history had a Christian overtone, and the majority of people consider themselves Christian. I'm not personally a Christian, but I'd much rather live in a so-called "Christian nation", than an Islamic one. In our Christian nation, the USA, speaking for myself, we have religious freedoms, even moreso than the EU, which actually bans certain religions, of course they won't ban the one they should, but it's to their own peril. Back to the OP, I think this is the crazy issue here, and elsewhere, in that it's like there are government protected and supported foreign invaders in one's land, and you are legally forced to stand down and accept it, at your own nations decline and demise. A government that does this, is the enemy of it's own people.

[devilock76]

Most so-called "Christian Nations" are because of their founding history, while currently they are of a large mix of peoples and operate on a secular system. America is considered a "Christian Nation", as it's history had a Christian overtone, and the majority of people consider themselves Christian. I'm not personally a Christian, but I'd much rather live in a so-called "Christian nation", than an Islamic one. In our Christian nation, the USA, speaking for myself, we have religious freedoms, even moreso than the EU, which actually bans certain religions, of course they won't ban the one they should, but it's to their own peril. Back to the OP, I think this is the crazy issue here, and elsewhere, in that it's like there are government protected and supported foreign invaders in one's land, and you are legally forced to stand down and accept it, at your own nations decline and demise. A government that does this, is the enemy of it's own people.

"America, practicing religious persecution since we escaped it!"

Ken

[tom502]

Where? When? Near every city has Moques, Hindu and Buddhist Temples, churches of all types, Scientology, various odd groups, atheist groups, Satanist groups, no one is forced to attend church. People are free to leave whatever religion or go to another. I have lots of critiques about America, but it's religious freedoms may be the best in the world.