Frustration with the TSA has reached the boiling point..

[lxskllr]

Dude I have $400 in my bank account, and it has to last 1 week. It's not that I can afford it, I make it a priority. Then again, I don't have children, so I fully understand your concerns. Money is a bitch. I owe $800 to Money Tree right now. That's right, payday loans. I am not wealthy enough to travel, but I make it happen. Because it's the most important thing to me. As soon as a kid pops out of my girl, things will change until I can figure out how to make more money. We both live in expensive cities, you know what I'm talkin about.

I have a friend like that. He doesn't travel as much as you, but he would if it weren't for other responsibilities. He's been putting off Romania for a bunch of years now, and it's really bugging him. He's actually the guy that turned me on to snus in a roundabout way. He went to Norway and talked about the people using snus over there. If he hadn't mentioned it, I doubt that Camel SNUS would have registered on my radar. I'd have assumed it was some new techno dip or something, and not worthy of consideration.

[Bigblue1]

It's just, I don't want any more intrusions into my life. And I certainly don't want to pay for it. I'm boating and fishing from March to November, one small license fee and 3-4 interuptions from conservation police(used to be like 1 every couple seasons) I camp I canoe I ice fish in the winter. This all costs money and I just couldn't see trading it for anything. I like exotic things but I'm also a foodie. I can find a good representations of ethnic cuisines without ever getting on a plane 1 hour away... It's just different strokes ,,,, Ya know..... But, back on Topic. The Tsa is out of control and needs to be abolished........

[lxskllr]

It's just, I don't want any more intrusions into my life. And I certainly don't want to pay for it. I'm boating and fishing from March to November, one small license fee and 3-4 interuptions from conservation police(used to be like 1 every couple seasons) I camp I canoe I ice fish in the winter. This all costs money and I just couldn't see trading it for anything. I like exotic things but I'm also a foodie. I can find a good representations of ethnic cuisines without ever getting on a plane 1 hour away... It's just different strokes ,,,, Ya know..... But, back on Topic. The Tsa is out of control and needs to be abolished........

That's my take on it. I'd love to travel, but I just don't have the money, and it doesn't look like I ever will. I could spend a lifetime just exploring the east coast of the USA. I see little treasures every so often right here, and I've been here my whole life. I guess I'm a little simpler, but I just want to be left alone, and I'll do ok in place.

[Roo]

It's just, I don't want any more intrusions into my life. And I certainly don't want to pay for it. I'm boating and fishing from March to November, one small license fee and 3-4 interuptions from conservation police(used to be like 1 every couple seasons) I camp I canoe I ice fish in the winter. This all costs money and I just couldn't see trading it for anything. I like exotic things but I'm also a foodie. I can find a good representations of ethnic cuisines without ever getting on a plane 1 hour away... It's just different strokes ,,,, Ya know..... But, back on Topic. The Tsa is out of control and needs to be abolished........

All the more reason we need to hang out, Blue... I love canoing, and ice-fishing? Never done it. Would love to. Over a bottle of Scotch. Or beers. Or both.

[lxskllr]

Ya know where I want to travel to? Detroit. That place is pure magic. I could spend months exploring abandoned houses and businesses. I really dig the vibe. Decayed elegance suits me :^)

[CoderGuy]

All the more reason we need to hang out, Blue... I love canoing, and ice-fishing? Never done it. Would love to. Over a bottle of Scotch. Or beers. Or both.

I don't do the travel thing or canoeing or ice fishing but I do partake in Scotch. Got some nice 12 yo Glenmorangie in my glass as we type.

[Premium Parrots]

I believe Hitler enjoyed a good scotch on ocassion.

[CoderGuy]

I believe Hitler enjoyed a good scotch on ocassion.

And we all know what happened to him... hmmm maybe I should quit drinking, I don't even like Argentina.

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[truthwolf1]

This is going to be very hard for people with kids.

[sgreger1]

Al Quaida is laughing at us. Says they are winning, and using the strategy "death by a thousand cuts". They utilize cheap terrorist attacks that cost them a few thousands $$, and in return the US has a knee-jerk reaction and immediately reacts by spending billions.


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qae...ry?id=12204726





The attack was not meant to kill more than the plane's pilot and co-pilot, and was meant to force the U.S. government to spend billions of dollars on preventive security screening measures.


The strategy, the magazine said, was "of attacking the enemy with smaller, but more frequent operations is what some may refer to as the strategy of a thousand cuts. The aim is to bleed the enemy to death."

[texastorm]

First of all to whomever it was that posted that before 9/11 no one had really used commercial planes as a weapon before and we could not see that one coming. That is sort of correct, they had never been used in exactly that manner. I will expand that to say the passengers aboard had never heard of anyone using a plane in that manner either, and as such were more fearful of the boxcutter with the belligerent bad guy behind it than of the plane crashing. So my theory on this is simple. Lets say you were on a plane, and some bad guys suddenly figure out how to take control of it, before 9/11 you would have thought "hijacking" now whats going to go through your head is "fiery plane crash" so you would be 110% more likely to get up and fight back. If only half of the sheep on the plane decided to take on the hijackers with the full knowledge that they were going to die if the didn't do something the hijackers stand no chance.

I cant speak for any of you, but facing certain death I would do my damnedest to run over a guy with a gun or a knife anyday. Only by taking action can the outcome be changed.

So TSA is almost overkill at this point, there is no really good reason for it, and its always been very hard to get a bomb on a plane even if all you want to do is blow it up. So I am not saying that security is completely irrelevant, but I am saying that going overboard si the wrong way to do it. I dont want to subject myself to needless radiation (or whatever makes that scanner work) and I surely dont want some creepy TSA guy tickling my balls, hell I might even be inclined to do my best to pee on him while I push out a fart. Now if some hottie was going to tickle my balls....mmm... of course thats a fantasy, anyone who flies regular can tell you its a rare day to see a hot TSA girl...very rare.

[Roo]

Lets say you were on a plane, and some bad guys suddenly figure out how to take control of it, before 9/11 you would have thought "hijacking" now whats going to go through your head is "fiery plane crash" so you would be 110% more likely to get up and fight back.

Quite the opposite as far as I'm concerned. Before 9/11 hijackers were not know to have suicidal massacre on their minds. I would have expected the plane to go somewhere very different than its scheduled destination, and I would expect the hijackers to make some demands and maybe take some hostages. Only on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania did some of the passengers get word of one of the other crashes and figure out what was up. Prior to 9/11 I would have expected something more like this to be the end result:

[sgreger1]

Yah, hijacking planes was usually (never) for the reason of crashing them. The hijacker always wanted something. So naturally most people figured that the proper authorities would resolve the situation, and very few thought they were going to hit a building.

But Texastorm is right, the problem was immediately fixed after 9-11. Passengers now expect the worst, and if some terrorist tried taking over the plan, the passengers would revolt. I think security theatre was implemented mianly to give away more big defense contracts, which is why we have Chertoff running the company that is making these.

[lxskllr]

Only on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania did some of the passengers get word of one of the other crashes and figure out what was up.

That's assuming you believe the official story. I think it's just as likely it was shot down, and a hero story was concocted to boost morale. I don't really have a problem with it either way, but it's a disservice to history if the truth hasn't been told.