Frustration with the TSA has reached the boiling point..

[CoderGuy]

do they finish? I thought not. More reason to hate them :^p

lol!

[GoVegan]

Do they finish? I thought not. More reason to hate them :^P

You bring up a good point there and also bring up some bad memories about some earlier girlfriends!

[Frosted]

Pat downs are fine but x-ray scanners are unacceptable to me.

I'm terrified of flying without terrorism but with the added risk of exploding in the sky I've given it a total miss these days. Admittedly the risk is negligible but I just hate flying.
I've done a hell of a lot of air miles in my time and encountered a lot turbulence which didn't bother me, until a plane I was on dramatically fell out of the sky flying out of NYC exactly a month after September the 11th. That did it for me - so f*** flying. It's for gays anyway.

[Premium Parrots]

You bring up a good point there and also bring up some bad memories about some earlier girlfriends!

um.............maybe if you "ate" "meat" the memories of your earlier girlfriends might be more pleasant.

just sayin

[CoderGuy]

Pat downs are fine but x-ray scanners are unacceptable to me.

I'm terrified of flying without terrorism but with the added risk of exploding in the sky I've given it a total miss these days. Admittedly the risk is negligible but I just hate flying.
I've done a hell of a lot of air miles in my time and encountered a lot turbulence which didn't bother me, until a plane I was on dramatically fell out of the sky flying out of NYC exactly a month after September the 11th. That did it for me - so f*** flying. It's for gays anyway.

LOL perhaps this has a different meaning here in the US

[Roo]

IMO it's too bad that people are more willing to forego world travel and experiencing other cultures in order to avoid undergoing a ridiculous 2 minute invasion of rights and privacy. Have fun in your backyards for the next 30 years. Or wherever you can drive to. I'll be enjoying getting the hell out of the USA as often as I can manage, ball-tickling and cock-exposing be damned. But that's just me. I like new experiences and seeing new places. Really far away places where things are much different than home. Life is too short to wait until things change or outright refuse to comply. I won't let the world pass me by while I bitch and moan about the loss of freedom right here where I'm standing. I'd rather get away while I can. No regrets. But like I've acknowledged in similar threads, everyone is different and if you want to stay put for the rest of your life, I am in no place to judge your way of thinking or your lifestyle. To each his own. The TSA has got to go or make major changes, but I'm not going to sit around and wait.

[GoVegan]

Roo - its not really the inconvenience more than the principle of the matter. We live in a free country and it seems like our rights our being eroded every single day. We keep referring to 911 as a reason for this but the fact is our government let in these known terrorists and did nothing to stop them. They already had all the tools and information that they needed to prevent this with what they already had to work with. Now we have warrantless searches and the Patriot Act all in the name of security. When does this end? Will anal probes be required next? Is there any evidence whatsoever that full body scans and ball tickling will even prevent terrorism? You have to admit that our government has a way of reasonably starting something and then blowing it out of proportion. Just look at tobacco taxes for an example of this.

[CoderGuy]

Roo - its not really the inconvenience more than the principle of the matter. We live in a free country and it seems like our rights our being eroded every single day. We keep referring to 911 as a reason for this but the fact is our government let in these known terrorists and did nothing to stop them. They already had all the tools and information that they needed to prevent this with what they already had to work with. Now we have warrantless searches and the Patriot Act all in the name of security. When does this end? Will anal probes be required next? Is there any evidence whatsoever that full body scans and ball tickling will even prevent terrorism? You have to admit that our government has a way of reasonably starting something and then blowing it out of proportion. Just look at tobacco taxes for an example of this.

Actually on the contrary, there is evidence that the body scanners do not in fact detect everything and do not make us any safer. Additionally, unless TSA is reaching their hand down your pants to feel around they will still not detect anything if it's taped to your balls.

You are right, it's the principal of the thing; the fact that this invasion is not doing anything to ward off terrorists (just causing their sides to hurt from the laugh cramps they get from watching how stupid we are).

And Roo, as far as I am concerned there ain't nothing outside this country worth risking life and limb for (going to all the places people hate us and want to kill us, and have easier access to doing it) that I can't see on Discovery Channel or online.

[Roo]

Oh shit I'm not defenidng our gov't or the TSA by any means, and I understand full-well that it's not the inconvenience but the principles at the heart of this debate. What I'm saying is that I'm not going to let it get in the way of how I want to live my life. For example, in 2 weeks over the weekend I will be flying one-way to LA to help my best friend move back to Seattle by loading his belongings and helping with the 1,000 mile drive. I don't have time to take the train, nor do I want to in this case. And it's more expensive. So, I suppose part of my point is that helping my friend and accepting the one-way ticket he is buying me is far more important than standing up for any principles.

[CoderGuy]

Oh shit I'm not defenidng our gov't or the TSA by any means, and I understand full-well that it's not the inconvenience but the principles at the heart of this debate. What I'm saying is that I'm not going to let it get in the way of how I want to live my life. For example, in 2 weeks over the weekend I will be flying one-way to LA to help my best friend move back to Seattle by loading his belongings and helping with the 1,000 mile drive. I don't have time to take the train, nor do I want to in this case. And it's more expensive. So, I suppose part of my point is that helping my friend and accepting the one-way ticket he is buying me is far more important than standing up for any principles.

I hear ya, really I do. I have to fly back east every 2 weeks for work and I hate it. I cannot let this situation interrupt my work at all. It is the fact that everything TSA does is smoke and mirrors and we aren't any safer than 9/10 flying that pisses me off. I can't do anything about it so I don't let it bother me, but it is irritating that they keep whittling away our freedoms "in the name of security" when it really isn't. It's like all the anti-tobacco BS "for the sake of the children", again total BS.

Edit: Actually I do think we are safer that we were on 9/10, but because people are more diligent now and willing to speak up. I don't think TSA is worth a sh*t though.

[lxskllr]

I don't even care about 9-11. Some planes crashed into some buildings. Who really gives a shit? Everything was done according to protocol, and history. Crashing a plane was a new tactic, and couldn't really have been foreseen. Now everybody knows what to do when someone tries to take a plane with box cutters(seriously?!), and it'll all work out fine. I'll tell ya what. If I leave this country, I won't be coming back. I have more allegiance to my ancestral Germany than I do this place. I'm pretty much done with this joint, and am ready to check out.

[GoVegan]

I don't even care about 9-11. Some planes crashed into some buildings. Who really gives a shit? Everything was done according to protocol, and history. Crashing a plane was a new tactic, and couldn't really have been foreseen. Now everybody knows what to do when someone tries to take a plane with box cutters(seriously?!), and it'll all work out fine. I'll tell ya what. If I leave this country, I won't be coming back. I have more allegiance to my ancestral Germany than I do this place. I'm pretty much done with this joint, and am ready to check out.

You know that your very smart and have some good ideas but one of these days your going to run for office, score high in the polls and then blow it with some un PC comment.

[lxskllr]

You wait until I invade Sea Land. AFAIK it's sitting out there undefended. I'll have my own country, and then I can do what the hell I want :^D

[CoderGuy]

I don't even care about 9-11. Some planes crashed into some buildings. Who really gives a shit? Everything was done according to protocol, and history. Crashing a plane was a new tactic, and couldn't really have been foreseen. Now everybody knows what to do when someone tries to take a plane with box cutters(seriously?!), and it'll all work out fine. I'll tell ya what. If I leave this country, I won't be coming back. I have more allegiance to my ancestral Germany than I do this place. I'm pretty much done with this joint, and am ready to check out.

That's like saying who cares about Pearl Harbor, just some planes hit some boats. Well the 3000+ people's families that lost their lives give a shit. Those that lost friends in the towers give a shit. It's a very insensitive thing to say. But, we still have the freedom for people like you to say those things, and you have the freedom to leave if you don't like it here.

[lxskllr]

And that same year almost 17,000 died on the roads due to alcohol alone. Again, who cares? Life comes, life goes, that's the way it is. Seizing power, and subjugating people over irrational fear isn't the way to proceed. On the freedom crap... You're free to do what you're told, when you're told to do it. Everybody likes bringing up the USA freedom crap. That's been debatable all along, and getting less relevant every year. It's pretty telling when the lists of best places in the world to live come up, and the USA isn't even a contender. We're so far from being first, it isn't even in sight....