Frustration with the TSA has reached the boiling point..

[Roo]

Definitely not opening that can of worms, that was not at all related to my point lol. I'm just saying before 9/11 I would not have expected the plane to intentionally crash. I would also not have expected a few men with boxcutters to take control of an airplane, so I do see where Texasstorm is coming from, I just don't think the dead people can be blamed. That's kind of ridiculous. Seems like tripling the number of air marshals, having them walk the aisles like stewardesses, and pilots with guns would solve a lot more problems than the goddamn TSA.

[sgreger1]

Definitely not opening that can of worms, that was not at all related to my point lol. I'm just saying before 9/11 I would not have expected the plane to intentionally crash. I would also not have expected a few men with boxcutters to take control of an airplane, so I do see where Texasstorm is coming from, I just don't think the dead people can be blamed. That's kind of ridiculous. Seems like tripling the number of air marshals, having them walk the aisles like stewardesses, and pilots with guns would solve a lot more problems than the goddamn TSA.

Yes, and orriginally the pilots were allowed to carry pistols on the plane, but one of Obama's first decisions as president was to take them away from the pilots.

March 18, 2009:

"After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.


Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.
The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots."

[lxskllr]

Definitely not opening that can of worms, that was not at all related to my point lol. I'm just saying before 9/11 I would not have expected the plane to intentionally crash. I would also not have expected a few men with boxcutters to take control of an airplane, so I do see where Texasstorm is coming from, I just don't think the dead people can be blamed. That's kind of ridiculous. Seems like tripling the number of air marshals, having them walk the aisles like stewardesses, and pilots with guns would solve a lot more problems than the goddamn TSA.

I don't blame the passengers at all. History showed that if you sit down, and shut up, you'll end up safe and sound somewhere, even if it wasn't where you wanted to be. All that's changed now, and I think people will act accordingly.

[RobsanX]

I'm undecided on this. The policies are in place to keep us safe from terrorism.

There are men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan getting shot at every day to keep us safe from terrorism. I'm sure they'd rather be doing something else too...

[texastorm]

Quite the opposite as far as I'm concerned. Before 9/11 hijackers were not know to have suicidal massacre on their minds. I would have expected the plane to go somewhere very different than its scheduled destination, and I would expect the hijackers to make some demands and maybe take some hostages. Only on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania did some of the passengers get word of one of the other crashes and figure out what was up. Prior to 9/11 I would have expected something more like this to be the end result:

Uhm wasnt that exactly what I said using different words and less graphics... hmm. Back to the English textbooks for me so I can learn better how to express myself lolI


In other words BEFORE 9/11 I would have probably sat passively and waited for the authorities to figure out the plane was hijacked and hoped I didnt get my throat cut with a boxcutter. AFTER 9/11 if I ever see someone try and take control of the plane, I will be one of the first in line trying to take control of the plane back and save at least my life and maybe someone elses.


EDIT to add, after rereading this thread I hope my post in some way did not make it sound like any passengers of those airlines were to blame, hell I wouldn't blame anyone for being passive even today, fear is an ugly thing which will completely shut your mind down. No one is blaming anyone. I know someone who missed one of those flights as he was late to the airport that day, and he feels good about it and guilty all at the same time.

[Roo]

Oops my fault, I re-read your post before responding but it's a weird day for me, maybe my mind was in the snowy clouds a bit. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

[snusgetter]

Pistole warns boycotters then says 'Pretty Please'?

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TSA chief warns against boycott of airport scans

ATLANTA—The nation's airport security chief pleaded with Thanksgiving travelers for understanding and urged them not to boycott full-body scans on Wednesday, lest their protest snarl what is already one of the busiest, most stressful flying days of the year.

Transportation Security Administration chief John Pistole said Monday that such delaying actions would only "tie up people who want to go home and see their loved ones."

"We all wish we lived in a world where security procedures at airports weren't necessary," he said, "but that just isn't the case."

He noted the alleged attempt by a Nigerian with explosives in his underwear to bring down a plane over Detroit last Christmas.

Despite tough talk on the Internet, there was little if any indication of a passenger revolt Monday at many major U.S. airports, with very few people declining the X-ray scan that can peer through their clothes. Those who refuse are subject to a pat-down search that includes the crotch and chest.

Many travelers said that the scans and the pat-down were not much of an inconvenience, and that the stepped-up measures made them feel safer and were, in any case, unavoidable.

"Whatever keeps the country safe, I just don't have a problem with," Leah Martin, 50, of Houston, said as she waited to go through security at the Atlanta airport.

At Chicago's O'Hare Airport, Gehno Sanchez, a 38-year-old from San Francisco who works in marketing, said he doesn't mind the full-body scans. "I mean, they may make you feel like a criminal for a minute, but I'd rather do that than someone touching me," he said.

A loosely organized Internet campaign is urging people to refuse the scans on Wednesday in what is being called National Opt-Out Day. The extra time needed to pat down people could cause a cascade of delays at dozens of major airports, including those in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Atlanta.

"Just one or two recalcitrant passengers at an airport is all it takes to cause huge delays," said Paul Ruden, a spokesman for the American Society of Travel Agents, which has warned its more than 8,000 members about delays. "It doesn't take much to mess things up anyway."

More than 400 imaging units are being used at about 70 airports. Since the new procedures began Nov. 1, 34 million travelers have gone through checkpoints and less than 3 percent are patted down, according to the TSA.


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As one story commenter noted: "TSA Chief Pistole's request sounds more like a threat than advice."

You have the right to decline the body scan but we don't want you to exercise that right!!

[lxskllr]

You have the right to refuse a warrant less search, but you won't like the results....

[snusgetter]

SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE
Advances the Case for TSA Pat-Downs

TSA SLOGAN:
"It's our business to touch yours!"

[snusgetter]

A new level of TSA stupidity..

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Passenger chooses strip-down over pat-down

When a San Diego man opted out of security screening using the Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) at Lindbergh Field Friday, he stripped down to his underwear in an attempt to avoid the pat-down procedures.

Samuel Wolanyk took the protest started Nov. 13 by Oceanside's John Tyner to a whole new level.

While Tyner videotaped his refusal to be patted down, telling the agent "If you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested," Wolanyk decided to give TSA a look at his body down to his Calvin Klein's.

Through a statement released by his attorney Sunday night, Wolanyk said "TSA needs to see that I'm not carrying any weapons, explosives, or other prohibited substances, I refuse to have images of my naked body viewed by perfect strangers, and having been felt up for the first time by TSA the week prior (I travel frequently) I was not willing to be molested again."

Wolanyk's attorney said that TSA requested his client put his clothes on so he could be patted down properly but his client refused to put his clothes back on. He never refused a pat down, according to his attorney.

Wolanyk was arrested for refusing to complete the security process. A woman, identified by Harbor police as Danielle Kelli Hayman, 39, of San Diego was detained for recording the incident on a phone.

San Diego has played a central role in the debate over the need for AIT machines in our nation's airports.



So far, the cellphone video of the incident has not been found online.

[CoderGuy]

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Passenger chooses strip-down over pat-down

When a San Diego man opted out of security screening using the Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) at Lindbergh Field Friday, he stripped down to his underwear in an attempt to avoid the pat-down procedures.

Samuel Wolanyk took the protest started Nov. 13 by Oceanside's John Tyner to a whole new level.

While Tyner videotaped his refusal to be patted down, telling the agent "If you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested," Wolanyk decided to give TSA a look at his body down to his Calvin Klein's.

Through a statement released by his attorney Sunday night, Wolanyk said "TSA needs to see that I'm not carrying any weapons, explosives, or other prohibited substances, I refuse to have images of my naked body viewed by perfect strangers, and having been felt up for the first time by TSA the week prior (I travel frequently) I was not willing to be molested again."

Wolanyk's attorney said that TSA requested his client put his clothes on so he could be patted down properly but his client refused to put his clothes back on. He never refused a pat down, according to his attorney.

Wolanyk was arrested for refusing to complete the security process. A woman, identified by Harbor police as Danielle Kelli Hayman, 39, of San Diego was detained for recording the incident on a phone.

San Diego has played a central role in the debate over the need for AIT machines in our nation's airports.



So far, the cellphone video of the incident has not been found online.

LOL love it. Hope the protests keep going and grow. About time people started standing up for themselves. Where were these dorkwads when PACT was being proposed?

[lxskllr]

You could make a fortune selling Don't touch my junk! Tshirts outside of the airports :^)

[snusgetter]

LOL love it. Hope the protests keep going and grow. About time people started standing up for themselves. Where were these dorkwads when PACT was being proposed?

Standing in line and getting felt-up (or down)?


Here's an interesting observation:

It's been noted elsewhere that the TSA agents don't change gloves
between screenings... imagine the diseases you're sharing with all
the people before you.


"Those gloves are expensive, don'tcha know, and will put us way over budget!!"

[CoderGuy]

Standing in line and getting felt-up (or down)?


Here's an interesting observation:

It's been noted elsewhere that the TSA agents don't change gloves
between screenings... imagine the diseases you're sharing with all
the people before you.


"Those gloves are expensive, don'tcha know, and will put us way over budget!!"

So if you fly a lot and get crabs or lice, blame it on the TSA.

"TSA - We'll molest you, humiliate you, and give you STDs... feel safer yet?"

[CoderGuy]

I am not an Alex Jones listener/watcher, just found it when I was searching about the glove change but found this interesting.