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[Roo]

I wonder how germans feel about the whole nazi thing. Here in the US, we are still beat up every day for having slavery in the past (over 100 years ago), let the nazis were like this last generation. Do the german people feel bad about the whole hitler thing, or is it something that's not really talked of?

They don't particularly enjoy launching into a discussion of their recent history. Short answer: yes, there is plenty of shame to go around. But they also understand it was not their generation's doing and wish the world could move on and not immediately associate Deutschland with their political and social leanings of 70 years ago. But yeah man, it's a sore subject. I lived there and have since (as an adult) had many discussions with many Germans and this is my take on it. Maybe chainsnuser or someone else would care to offer more direct insight.

[sgreger1]

They don't particularly enjoy launching into a discussion of their recent history. Short answer: yes, there is plenty of shame to go around. But they also understand it was not their generation's doing and wish the world could move on and not immediately associate Deutschland with their political and social leanings of 70 years ago. But yeah man, it's a sore subject. I lived there and have since (as an adult) had many discussions with many Germans and this is my take on it. Maybe chainsnuser or someone else would care to offer more direct insight.

That's what I figured. it's something that's not talked about, and most of the people living their now likely feel they have no connection to it since they were not alive to participate at the time.


I am just curious, after germany disbanded the nazi's, how it was right after the war. After the trails. Was everyone like "Yah, my bad about the whole burning jews thing, but um.... totally not our fault for going along with it. Our bad."




It just seems that America always gets the short end of the stick. We are the supreme evil and the most racist. I mean we can't even midly enforce immegration policy without the entire world calling for our heads. We can't call the islamic pashtun people of afghanistan pedophiles, otherwise we are somehow violating human rights or making some diplomatic blunder. We can't really do anything without being called racist, yet i've never actually heard anyone refer to a german as a "nazi". Maybe it's not PC to call people that over there, but over here it's the new hotness.

[tom502]

At that time in history, many, if not most western nations had racial laws. The Asians too. It wasn't an isolated American thing. I still don't think slavery was racial, it was economical capitalistic. I think if China was where Africa was, and they had a slaver business there just the same, we'd have many Chinese here from then. Also in the South there were free blacks, and black farm owners who did have their own slaves as well. The North had slaves too, and it was during the Civil War that slavery even became an issue. The war was over states right, vs Fed control. Lincoln may have freed the slaves, but he also sent them to Liberia saying they could not live with whites.
The Nazi issue is verbotum in Germany, they don't have freedom of speech and thought like we do(somewhat). They have to silently accept what Israel commands about this issue, or they can be arrested.

[sgreger1]

I don't get it. If the jews secrets run the world, than why don't they have more support? Why do they have sucha small plot of land? Why are we the only ones who give them money?


I understand that because they are currently holding the "little brother to America" position, they get lots of help from us, but I don't see how they could run the world. I mean, anyone who plays right hand man to the US is going to have some power to throw around, but I would hardly say they control everything.


And I think the reason why it's not cool to talk about the holocaust in germany is probably because of the whole "burning 6 million women and children based soley on race alone" thing. It can leave the nerves a bit on edge.

[tom502]

"The Jews" declared war on Germany, before Hitler, and there was a social problem for a long time. Many did not like this, and that's how and why Hitler succeeded with his "antisemitic" programs.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/jewishwar.cfm

[sgreger1]

"The Jews" declared war on Germany, before Hitler, and there was a social problem for a long time. Many did not like this, and that's how and why Hitler succeeded with his "antisemitic" programs.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/jewishwar.cfm

I'm sorry, what? The jews started WWII, are you shitting me Tom? And I suppose the blacks started slavery in America as well?

What do you mean the jews declared war on germany, there was no jewish state at the time to even declare war against, how do you figure?



Hitler used the jews as a scapegoat, just like we currently use the word terrorist. imagine if in the US they decided to round up all of the "terrorists" or "domestic extremists" into camps and work them to death or burn them, would you consider that terrorists declaring war on the US, or the other way around?

[tom502]

Read the article.

[devilock76]

At that time in history, many, if not most western nations had racial laws. The Asians too. It wasn't an isolated American thing. I still don't think slavery was racial, it was economical capitalistic. I think if China was where Africa was, and they had a slaver business there just the same, we'd have many Chinese here from then. Also in the South there were free blacks, and black farm owners who did have their own slaves as well. The North had slaves too, and it was during the Civil War that slavery even became an issue. The war was over states right, vs Fed control. Lincoln may have freed the slaves, but he also sent them to Liberia saying they could not live with whites.
The Nazi issue is verbotum in Germany, they don't have freedom of speech and thought like we do(somewhat). They have to silently accept what Israel commands about this issue, or they can be arrested.

Slavery in and of itself, America or throughout the history of the world, has never been a racist issue. However in our own south at the time racism was used to justify the enslavement of blacks.

Ken

[devilock76]

I'm sorry, what? The jews started WWII, are you shitting me Tom? And I suppose the blacks started slavery in America as well?

What do you mean the jews declared war on germany, there was no jewish state at the time to even declare war against, how do you figure?



Hitler used the jews as a scapegoat, just like we currently use the word terrorist. imagine if in the US they decided to round up all of the "terrorists" or "domestic extremists" into camps and work them to death or burn them, would you consider that terrorists declaring war on the US, or the other way around?

Devil's advocate for tom here, on the blacks starting slavery, it was their own people who sold them to the slavers.

Ken

[sgreger1]

Devil's advocate for tom here, on the blacks starting slavery, it was their own people who sold them to the slavers.

Ken

That is true...

Maybe a bad analogy, but saying that the jews declared war on hitler and started WWII is so out in left field that I find myself grasping for a way to explain it without my head exploding.

[Roo]

What a stupid thread! In every way.

[sgreger1]

Read the article.

As always, i did read youra rticle. And like 90% of the time, it is bullshit. Here is why:



You display a magazine article printed by the Daily Express circa march 24 1933, which reads "Judea declares war on germany". This is your proof that the jews totally started WWII by declaring a war on germany....


The problem is that the actual contents of the article describe how jews were getting tired of the relentless persecution imposed on them by Hitler, so they decided to unite together and stage mass boycots of german goods and protests of the oppressive nazi regime.

Furthermore, the jewish board of deputies at the time (representative of british jews) said there was no official boycot. It was kind of like the arizona law, lots of people boycotted it, but the headlines do not read "MEXICANS DECLARE WAR ON AMERICA!!!!!".

In fact, The daily express was one of the only publications to use the verbiage "Judea declares war on germany".


It was ment more i the context of "Jews decide to fight back against oppression and boycot germany." This is a tabloid article, so of course they sensationalize it by saying jews are declaring war on germany, when in fact they are just boycotting german goods because of the opression from the government.








Anyone who thinks jews "started" WWII and FORCED hitler to try and invade all of europe is an idiot. Tom, really, I know you are smarted than this. All of your crazy theories have some basis of truth, but this one has none. Jews did not militarize and attack germany, they did not start the war.


What you are saying is akin to a rapist saying "Well she started it by dressing that way. Her getting raped was her own fault". <--- Don't be that guy tom.

[truthwolf1]

Goddamnit! you guys are having too much fun!
Sucks, being a slave to the hand that feeds this time of year.

[sgreger1]

Goddamnit! you guys are having too much fun!
Sucks, being a slave to the hand that feeds this time of year.

I heard Santa is a zionist, and that while publicly the media parrots the message that "He knows if your naughty or nice, and gives presents or lumps of coal accordingly", yet he actually chooses how to dole out presents based on ethnicity and religion alone. Wonder why there's so much oil in the middle east? Because santa's been giving them coal and shit while we get all the good presents.


/If I had posted that on a blog, tom would believe it.

[tom502]

http://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html