Irony of the Destiny

**lxskllr** · 13-01-11, 03:12 PM

Some people get lung cancer, and never smoked in their lives. It stands to reason the risks increase if one was a regular smoker, even if they quit years previously.

**precious007** · 13-01-11, 03:30 PM

Sure there are...

There's work environments that are far more dangerous than smoking all together.

Such as paint shops ... chemical industries... just to name a few..

**CoderGuy** · 13-01-11, 03:39 PM

No, they have proven smoking is the only cause of lung cancer. If you never smoked then it's 2nd hand smoke by being around smokers. If you aren't around smokers it's 3rd hand smoke from coming in contact with someone that has smoked at some time and it's still on their cloths. If not that then someone within a 50 yard radius has thought about smoking. And that kids is why we must stop snus at all costs, it's dangerous and smoking is much better for you.

Disclaimer: The preceding was a snarky commentary on the idiocy of the various organizations that have their own agenda and wish to push them on us without regard to any actual logical thinking (PACT)

More On Topic... 5 packs a day!! He must have had a cig lit at all times. I smoked 3 packs a day for about a year and that was hard to do, can't even imagine how he could have smoked 5!

**lxskllr** · 13-01-11, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post

More On Topic... 5 packs a day!! He must have had a cig lit at all times. I smoked 3 packs a day for about a year and that was hard to do, can't even imagine how he could have smoked 5!

I think it was Yul Brenner that smoked 7 packs per day. It was either him, or Jackie Gleason. They were both champion smokers.

**Veganpunk** · 13-01-11, 03:49 PM

I only got up to 2 packs a day, and I thought that was too much!

**CoderGuy** · 13-01-11, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by lxskllr View Post

I think it was Yul Brenner that smoked 7 packs per day. It was either him, or Jackie Gleason. They were both champion smokers.

Yul Brynner was great, had a lot of really great roles but my favorites were Westworld and Futureworld. Gleason was also great but even at 5 packs a day (for Gleason) he had multiple cancers but not lung cancer. My great grandmother smoked 3 packs a day her whole life and drank vodka every day and died at 104, cancer free.

**bill77.017** · 13-01-11, 04:03 PM

Allen Carrs books are brilliant. I read a couple and they really opened my eyes about nicotine addiction and the dangers of
smoking. The man was a Genius. After he gave up smoking he did clinics for years in which he allowed the group to smoke while
he explained his method, so i,d reckon second hand smoke contributed to his death. Thank god we have Snus!!!

**lxskllr** · 13-01-11, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post

Yul Brynner was great, had a lot of really great roles but my favorites were Westworld and Futureworld. Gleason was also great but even at 5 packs a day (for Gleason) he had multiple cancers but not lung cancer. My great grandmother smoked 3 packs a day her whole life and drank vodka every day and died at 104, cancer free.

So you're saying for good health, if you smoke, you should also drink vodka. Check! Vodka isn't my favorite, but My health is more important than small things like taste, and preference :^D

**CoderGuy** · 13-01-11, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by lxskllr View Post

So you're saying for good health, if you smoke, you should also drink vodka. Check! Vodka isn't my favorite, but My health is more important than small things like taste, and preference :^D

Exactly! And if you drink potato vodka you are getting your veggies (potato is a vegetable).

**CoderGuy** · 13-01-11, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by bill77.017 View Post

Allen Carrs books are brilliant. I read a couple and they really opened my eyes about nicotine addiction and the dangers of
smoking. The man was a Genius. After he gave up smoking he did clinics for years in which he allowed the group to smoke while
he explained his method, so i,d reckon second hand smoke contributed to his death. Thank god we have Snus!!!

Did he ever discuss or consider harm reduction as apposed to just Quit or Die with smoking?

**precious007** · 13-01-11, 04:59 PM

no actually his books and theories revolve around quitting smoking cold turkey ..

nothing about harm reduction ...

actually he even says, that all the methods such as patches, gums or sprays are only worsening the addiction to "nicotine"

and that you can't cure an addiction by taking the same drug... :-)

partially true.... it;s like saying don't inject heroine only smoke it...

**CoderGuy** · 13-01-11, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by precious007 View Post

no actually his books and theories revolve around quitting smoking cold turkey ..

nothing about harm reduction ...

actually he even says, that all the methods such as patches, gums or sprays are only worsening the addiction to "nicotine"

and that you can't cure an addiction by taking the same drug... :-)

partially true.... it;s like saying don't inject heroine only smoke it...

Makes sense if your goal is to quit nicotine all together. My goal was to quit smoking (which I did) but to continue using nicotine and tobacco (which I am)... love reaching goals!

**devilock76** · 13-01-11, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by lxskllr View Post

Some people get lung cancer, and never smoked in their lives. It stands to reason the risks increase if one was a regular smoker, even if they quit years previously.

Andy Kaufman would be an example. He was an adamant non smoker, hated it. Died young of lung cancer. Unless of course you believe he faked his death.

Ken

**precious007** · 13-01-11, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post

Makes sense if your goal is to quit nicotine all together. My goal was to quit smoking (which I did) but to continue using nicotine and tobacco (which I am)... love reaching goals!

well, i get what you mean...

at least harm reduction is a first big step...

and I believe that smokeless tobacco isn't that much of a harm if you're not chaining it...

probably I've said it before... but smoking to be honest was making me feel like a jelly fish honestly....

with every cigarette it was only getting nastier... just like Allen Carr says in his books... I had a permanent headache ... more like a migraine.... I had no confidence... no power of will ...and so on... many smokers don't even realize all these negative things ... it's part of their life and would never associate them with smoking.... unless someone opens their eyes wide

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