Lucid dreaming

[precious007]

In prison?

I wouldn't be crying in prison =)))))

[sgreger1]

sgregor is right, it is a cultural thing. Some tribes in the jungles still believe you are taking their souls with cameras too. Many people believe if you die in a dream you die in life. I have died thousands of times in dreams and just wake up. Knowledge is a powerful thing (and lack of it dangerous).

I have done Lucid Dreaming a lot in my life and Astral Projection as well (almost the same thing with subtle differences).

I'm not familiar with astral projection, what is it and could you link me to some information about it?

[sgreger1]

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Did Alleged Arizona Shooter Think he was Dreaming During the Attack?

When Jared Lee Loughner allegedly pulled the trigger outside a Tucson Safeway Saturday morning, killing six people and injuring 14 others, is it possible that he thought he was dreaming?

According to friends, Loughner was particularly interested in something called lucid dreaming, when people try to take control of their own dreams to manipulate them.

"Lucid dreaming is when a person has not only very vivid dreams, very clear dreams, but they are consciously aware that they are dreaming, and they are able to influence the dreams," said Dr. Gary Schwartz, a professor of psychology and neurology at the University of Arizona.

It's a concept straight out of movies like "The Matrix" and last summer's "Inception," in which characters live out superhuman lives in their sleep.
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Bryce Tierney, a friend of Loughner's, told Mother Jones magazine that the alleged shooter kept a journal of his dreams, and Tierney saw it.

"That's the golden piece of evidence," Tierney told the magazine. "You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner's mind, there's a dream journal that will tell you everything."

But Tierney told Mother Jones that his friend got in too deep. Like the characters in the movie "Inception," his dream life became more vivid to him than his waking life, which psychologists say is a very real risk.

"For individuals who become not just gifted lucid dreamers but become obsessed with lucid dreaming and prefer lucid dreaming more than regular life, it becomes potentially dangerous to them and society," said Schwartz.

Loughner's YouTube posts do seem to suggest that he may have thought his waking life was actually a dream.

"All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep. Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment. Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep," he wrote in his YouTube video, seeming to refer to conscious or lucid dreams. "In a few days, you know I'm conscience [sic] dreaming!"

So, could Loughner have believed he was dreaming when he allegedly attacked?

"Of course nobody knows for sure," said Schwartz, "but it is certainly possible that this is very much like what he had dreamt before."

It might just be possible that on Saturday, Loughner's dark dreams became a nightmare for an Arizona community and the nation as well.




Defense strategy?? Will insanity be alluded to?

Will sgreger be called upon to testify??

This is the stupidist thing i've ever heard. His act was premeditated. He made allusions to his future crime all over his youtube rants and elsewhere as well. No one could accidentally shoot a congressman, a judge, and a little girl plus a dozen other people because they "thought they were dreaming". I can't believe they are going to try and use this. There is 0 evidence that lucid dreaming could make you mistake a dream with your real reality. The very nature of lucid dreaming makes that impossible, as to be lucid dreaming you have to BE ACTIVELY LUCID OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE IN A DREAM. If you did not know it was a dream, then you were not lucid dreaming. Simple as that.

[snusgetter]

This is the stupidist thing i've ever heard. His act was premeditated. He made allusions to his future crime all over his youtube rants and elsewhere as well. No one could accidentally shoot a congressman, a judge, and a little girl plus a dozen other people because they "thought they were dreaming". I can't believe they are going to try and use this. There is 0 evidence that lucid dreaming could make you mistake a dream with your real reality. The very nature of lucid dreaming makes that impossible, as to be lucid dreaming you have to BE ACTIVELY LUCID OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE IN A DREAM. If you did not know it was a dream, then you were not lucid dreaming. Simple as that.

So I take it you won't be testifying??


/case closed

[CoderGuy]

I'm not familiar with astral projection, what is it and could you link me to some information about it?

Unfortunately work blocks most sites but when I get home I will post some (unless someone with full internet posts first)

[sgreger1]

Unfortunately work blocks most sites but when I get home I will post some (unless someone with full internet posts first)

I suppose a better way to put it is that I have heard of astral projection, but always saw it in the light of some stupid hippie shit that is fake. If you personally have belief that it works, than that is enough for me to investigate more (sine I know your not crazy). I am just afraid if I google it I will land on some wierd new-aged site, so later on if you have any links to a resource you used, that would be great. I always love trying new things.

[CoderGuy]

I suppose a better way to put it is that I have heard of astral projection, but always saw it in the light of some stupid hippie shit that is fake. If you personally have belief that it works, than that is enough for me to investigate more (sine I know your not crazy). I am just afraid if I google it I will land on some wierd new-aged site, so later on if you have any links to a resource you used, that would be great. I always love trying new things.

Yeah unfortunately what you say is true. I will separate the wheat from the chaff and try and find a couple respectable links.

[Roo]

The very nature of lucid dreaming makes that impossible, as to be lucid dreaming you have to BE ACTIVELY LUCID OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE IN A DREAM. If you did not know it was a dream, then you were not lucid dreaming. Simple as that.

Right but the (absurd) assertion is that dude thought he was lucid dreaming while he was actually awake. So he was awake and had the familiar thought "I'm in a dream". Of course he wasn't lucid dreaming, but the theory is "what if he thought he was in a dream while actually awake". See the difference? Anyway, that is a horrible argument for heinous crimes. Back on topic, lucid dreaming is great. Most of my nightmares turn in to fun dreams these days because whenever something really bad is going to happen in a dream, I realize it's way too ****ed up to actually happen and take the dream in a completely new direction, often involving sexual and/or death-defying activities lol.

[sgreger1]

Right but the (absurd) assertion is that dude thought he was lucid dreaming while he was actually awake. So he was awake and had the familiar thought "I'm in a dream". Of course he wasn't lucid dreaming, but the theory is "what if he thought he was in a dream while actually awake". See the difference? Anyway, that is a horrible argument for heinous crimes. Back on topic, lucid dreaming is great. Most of my nightmares turn in to fun dreams these days because whenever something really bad is going to happen in a dream, I realize it's way too ****ed up to actually happen and take the dream in a completely new direction, often involving sexual and/or death-defying activities lol.

But that is impossible. Lucid dreaming means he would wake up and be like "Oh shit, i'm dreaming! Sweet, lets shoot someone". That was not the case. This was a premedatated crime which involved buying guns, plannign the whole thing etc, it was not an impulse action. Therefore it is impossible that he did this while he thought he was in a dream. No one lucid dreams for 3 months while they plan a mass shotting. This whole concept is absurd.

[Premium Parrots]

I wouldn't be crying in prison =)))))

yepper..... you'd be having the time of your life. every night

[precious007]

yepper..... you'd be having the time of your life. every night

probably if they bring me calamari and women

hell I will never be in prison

[truthwolf1]

I like the dead relatives visiting in dreams the best.

Realizing and controlling Levitation

Making up high school

Bag over head being strangled

A DejaVu within a dream and not being able to wake-up

[bill77.017]

I have done Lucid Dreaming a lot in my life and Astral Projection as well (almost the same thing with subtle differences).

Isn,t Astral projection like an out of body experience? Where you can leave your body and
travel on the astral plane. I haven,t done it or lucid dreaming myself but its a
fascinating subject. I don,t think i will ever try astral travel because i,d be afraid i wouldn,t
be able to get back into my body lol.

[CoderGuy]

Isn,t Astral projection like an out of body experience? Where you can leave your body and
travel on the astral plane. I haven,t done it or lucid dreaming myself but its a
fascinating subject. I don,t think i will ever try astral travel because i,d be afraid i wouldn,t
be able to get back into my body lol.

Yes that's what it is. Personally never had trouble getting back but then the mind is a powerful thing, I suppose you could stop yourself if you really focused.

[Crow]

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