Lucid dreaming

**Crow** · 27-01-11, 08:35 AM

**texastorm** · 27-01-11, 08:48 AM

When I was in high school, I went to school one day and found a bag of cash in my desk in first period. I spent the whole day at school went to ALL my classes and even counted the money. A little over 5000 bucks in a paper lunch bag! I took the bag home and put in under the bed , watched tv, and then I lay down and went to sleep. When I woke up the bag was freakin gone! Gone I tell you!

I dreamed a whole damn day! Worst of all it was an awesome day where I found a bag of money.... I will never forget the pain of realizing it was all a dream. I had spent most of that money in my head.

Stupid dreams. I quit having them after that. Probably some kind of psychological issue, but I never remember dreaming at all any more.

**Premium Parrots** · 27-01-11, 09:00 AM

I only dream about sgregers wife.

I'd elaborate but this thread is about lucid dreams. not wet dreams.

**precious007** · 27-01-11, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by The Seattleite View Post

Tx

+1

**Crow** · 27-01-11, 10:14 AM

You're welcome... I just finished uploading the rest. Have fun.

**deadohsky** · 27-01-11, 12:55 PM

This is a very interesting thread. I have always been fascinated with different levels of consciousness and the power of the human brain and what it is capable of. I would love to try both lucid dreaming and astral projection but i'm not sure how well, if at all, they would work for me as i very seldom remember my dreams.

**CoderGuy** · 27-01-11, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by The Seattleite View Post

Cool thanks. So have you used any of them? Had any results?

**sgreger1** · 27-01-11, 07:08 PM

Has anyone here tried remote viewing before? I have heard some first hand testimony that it works, but i've never gotten to sit down and really talk with anyone that has. Has anyone here tried?

I think that all this stuff has to be nonesense, yet there are too many average people who experience it to just write it off. There could be a whole new field of science that is yet undiscovered. Wouldn't that be exciting!

**CoderGuy** · 27-01-11, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by sgreger1

Has anyone here tried remote viewing before? I have heard some first hand testimony that it works, but i've never gotten to sit down and really talk with anyone that has. Has anyone here tried?

I think that all this stuff has to be nonesense, yet there are too many average people who experience it to just write it off. There could be a whole new field of science that is yet undiscovered. Wouldn't that be exciting!

As I recall several years ago the gov't had a remote viewing project where they were training people and trying to use it. I think they eventually scrapped it as it wasn't producing usable results.

**sgreger1** · 27-01-11, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post

As I recall several years ago the gov't had a remote viewing project where they were training people and trying to use it. I think they eventually scrapped it as it wasn't producing usable results.

1970 - 1995 the government spent $20 million running their remote viewing program, and used it successfully in a wide range of intel gathering missions. One Stargate viewer had been awarded in 1984 a legion of merit for determining "150 essential elements of information (...) unavailable from any other source",[9]

Eventually they scraped it and claimed it wasn't performing well enough. This is NOT because it didn't work, but because they could get it to work consistently and accurately enough for military applications. As in, because of the inherent nature of the remote viewing technique, it is hard to say "Somewhere in russia is a missile silo, find it with no other intel.". They will get it right 2-3 out of 5 times, but that is not accurate enough for a military application.

However, as far as paranormal things go, it had a very high success rate. The fact someone could even do it once proves that it is possible or that some other force is at work.

And frankly, they spent a lot of money on this for over 2 decades. If it didn't work they would have scrapped it WAY sooner I would imagine, instead of funding it for 20 years. It wouldn't surprise me if it was successfull and they just took it off the books after the cold war died out. If they had any kind of success, even 3 out of 10, it coul still be usefull.

I read a lot into remote viewing and the history of it,a nd it's actually pretty interesting. I've also heard many of the guys who worked on teh government programs interviewed. They all say the same thing, that it works, but that it isn't 100% accurate or consistent due to how the information is gathered. But I don't think it's BS, andthe government did not think it was BS either, just that it didn't provide an operational advantage for them, (or they took it off the books and continued doing it secretly).

**Crow** · 27-01-11, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by CoderGuy

Cool thanks. So have you used any of them? Had any results?

The only one I've tried is the one for Lucid Dreaming. I posted my experience with that earlier:

Originally posted by The Seattleite

There was this sound file I downloaded once for 'lucid dreaming'. There were no words, just tones. Supposedly these tones trigger lucid dreaming, so I tried it out once.

I would "wake up" in bed in the dream, and go about the first few minutes of my day, as usual... Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I would "wake up" in my bed again. It took me 2-3 'wake-ups' to actually wake-up.

It was a very strange experience, and the last time I used that file.

**CoderGuy** · 27-01-11, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by sgreger1

1970 - 1995 the government spent $20 million running their remote viewing program, and used it successfully in a wide range of intel gathering missions. One Stargate viewer had been awarded in 1984 a legion of merit for determining "150 essential elements of information (...) unavailable from any other source",[9]

Eventually they scraped it and claimed it wasn't performing well enough. This is NOT because it didn't work, but because they could get it to work consistently and accurately enough for military applications. As in, because of the inherent nature of the remote viewing technique, it is hard to say "Somewhere in russia is a missile silo, find it with no other intel.". They will get it right 2-3 out of 5 times, but that is not accurate enough for a military application.

However, as far as paranormal things go, it had a very high success rate. The fact someone could even do it once proves that it is possible or that some other force is at work.

And frankly, they spent a lot of money on this for over 2 decades. If it didn't work they would have scrapped it WAY sooner I would imagine, instead of funding it for 20 years. It wouldn't surprise me if it was successfull and they just took it off the books after the cold war died out. If they had any kind of success, even 3 out of 10, it coul still be usefull.

I read a lot into remote viewing and the history of it,a nd it's actually pretty interesting. I've also heard many of the guys who worked on teh government programs interviewed. They all say the same thing, that it works, but that it isn't 100% accurate or consistent due to how the information is gathered. But I don't think it's BS, andthe government did not think it was BS either, just that it didn't provide an operational advantage for them, (or they took it off the books and continued doing it secretly).

I think you're probably right, why spend so much money on a project for so long and then scrap it? Especially when they look to any source for possible intel, even unreliable locals will give them "something" to go on. So I doubt they just scrapped it, they are probably still taking advantage of the information they did get from it.

**sgreger1** · 27-01-11, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by CoderGuy

I think you're probably right, why spend so much money on a project for so long and then scrap it? Especially when they look to any source for possible intel, even unreliable locals will give them "something" to go on. So I doubt they just scrapped it, they are probably still taking advantage of the information they did get from it.

They scored 15% above chance. This is statistically significant and even the skeptics who inevitably shut down the program admitted that "by the standards of any other science, remote viewing has been proven", but then went on to say that when researching the paranormal, we must expect a higher stnadard for evidence. Because the implications of it's existance change everything.

There have been lots of studies on remote viewing, some showed it to be successfull and some showed it to be unsuccessfull. Either way, 15% above chance is significant.

The implications are huge. With remote viewing, one can visually see "anywhere" on earth (or in theory beyond). For this to be possible would involve us rewriting science and would be a huge breakthrough for the paranormal crowd. In order for that to happen they need more proof though.

All we know is that even the military admits that it did use remote viewing successfully to identify a new class of submarine and collect intel on soviet bunkers which they previously did not know anything about. Hundreds of intel missions WERE SUCCESSFULL. The problem is that the "psychics" would have "on" days and "off" days, and they could not figure out a way to induce an "on" day, or to even pick it up via brain scans etc. Therefore they could not know on any given day how accurate the data was going to be. This is not good enough for intel gathering. However, we do know that they were right some of the time, in scenarios that one in theory could not guess. So there has to be at least SOMETHING to it.

**Roo** · 27-01-11, 10:09 PM

I'm sorry if I offend any practitioners of remote viewing, but I don't buy it. The implications of this phenomenon being within the realm of possibility are way too big. Also, with human kind sitting around perceiving the world around them through nothing but their brains, this would be common knowledge by now if true. This quote from the Wikipedia entry speaks volumes:

For the largest paranormal research institution, the James Randi Educational Foundation, out of all of the applicants who applied for the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, nobody has even passed the preliminary tests.[34]

**pinklungs** · 27-01-11, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Bigblue1 View Post

I've experienced some of what you guys have described in this thread. Always chalked it up to the opiates tho......

Me too blue. Though mine was through a bit too much LSD. 1986, 16 yrs old. Floated straight up to what I'd judge to be about 15 feet above my body while cruising on my skateboard. Watched myself carve down some fresh pavement for what seemed like 30 or 40 seconds. Remember it in detail to this day.

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