Higher dimensions a spiritual concept?

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  • AtreyuKun
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    • Aug 2009
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    Higher dimensions a spiritual concept?

    Really? I've been on a bit of a weird kick lately. I hate thinking about realities and mysteries as spiritual. I suppose one man's spiritual experience is another man's Euclidean algorithm.
    Anyway concerning some threads from a few days back about lucid dreaming and OBE's has really got me going.
    One thing has always fascinated me: dimensional space. I could never do it better than Carl Sagan when he explained it as everything beyond our 3 dimensions as merely spatial dimensions.
    Line:

    Squre:

    Cube:

    Hypercube:

    The hypercube is of course not accurate because we can't actually see it "4 dimensions". We just have to imagine that in a hypercube, everything is a right angles.

    Now on the metaphysical side, there are those who say that everything above the 3rd dimension deals with time and space. A 2D being would only be able to see us 3D beings as a cross section;kinda like an MRI image. Now. They say that the 4th dimension being the past, present, and future of any given point and that 4th dimensional beings would appear like undulating snakes with their embryonic selves at one end and their deceased selves at the other. We are like the 2D beings. Only able to see cross sections of 4D beings like a snapshot in time.
    They say that the line that you draw from yourself now, to the you next your appears to be a straight line. Hence, why we see time as a straight line.
    Now the 5th dimension would be like the 2nd. It would branch off into other directions. This is influenced by our actions; each having a different outcome.
    Dear god, this thing is getting so big, it's driving me insane. I'm going to stop on that right there. Now what I want to know is this: Is this a spiritual thing or are some new age hippies just assigning spiritual qualities to what really amounts to just the fundamental nature of existence? Cause me,the whole idea blows my mind, but it has nothing to do with god or any kind of spiritual mumbo jumbo.
    Also, please tell me if you think that I've completely gone off the deep end.
  • AtreyuKun
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    • Aug 2009
    • 1223

    #2
    I think my main question is this: Is the 4th dimension time, or is it merely spatial? Or, are the 2 related?
    Goddamn, I need more vodka!

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    • Premium Parrots
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      • Feb 2008
      • 9758

      #3
      put the bong down and step back slowly..........into the twilight zone.


      dodo dodo dodo dodo, dodo dodo



      seriously tho, I'd give it a definate maybe.
      Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I killed because they were annoying......





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      • CoderGuy
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        • Jul 2009
        • 2679

        #4
        My theory is even weirder; I don't believe any of this is actually here at all, that everything we (individually) see or perceive is just our own interpretation of different energies around us. You could ask any two people to fully describe you and you would get completely different descriptions. That applies to almost anything (the world around us, day to day life, etc.) If everything were anymore than our own interpretations of energies... we would see the same things.

        <exhale> here, want some?

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        • sgreger1
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          • Mar 2009
          • 9451

          #5
          I recommend this book a million times to answer your question: The Ego Tunnel by Thomas Metzinger (sp?).


          Anyways, i'm not tracking on your explanation of other dimensions. First 3 are spatial, 4th is the dimension of time, which is kind of like a way of tracking the chronological order of events more than it is a dimension. It certainly isn't spatial.

          What are you getting at about with the other dimensions though, are you just having a tough time visualizing them? Don't feel bad, even the best scientists can't visualize them much better. It's all fractals man, everything curving in on itself etc.

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          • sgreger1
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            • Mar 2009
            • 9451

            #6
            Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post
            My theory is even weirder; I don't believe any of this is actually here at all, that everything we (individually) see or perceive is just our own interpretation of different energies around us. You could ask any two people to fully describe you and you would get completely different descriptions. That applies to almost anything (the world around us, day to day life, etc.) If everything were anymore than our own interpretations of energies... we would see the same things.

            <exhale> here, want some?
            Science has already studied and proven in detail exactly your theory but a little more complicated. Read the book I referenced in the above comment. Or go sign up for audible.com free trial and get it as free audiobook. He also explains research behind OBE's and dreams and how it relates to his broader topic, but he presents all science and doesn't get into anything i feel to be crazy. Anyways, please please please read this book, I know youll love it. I would buy you a copy if I could.

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            • muddyfunkstar
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              • Aug 2010
              • 967

              #7
              I don't think I could get my head around this without a good hit of acid and I stopped doing that stuff 20 years ago

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              • CoderGuy
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                • Jul 2009
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                #8
                Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                Science has already studied and proven in detail exactly your theory but a little more complicated. Read the book I referenced in the above comment. Or go sign up for audible.com free trial and get it as free audiobook. He also explains research behind OBE's and dreams and how it relates to his broader topic, but he presents all science and doesn't get into anything i feel to be crazy. Anyways, please please please read this book, I know youll love it. I would buy you a copy if I could.
                That sounds like a pretty interesting book. I just bought the Kindle edition, thanks!

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                • Crow
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                  • Oct 2010
                  • 4312

                  #9
                  Originally posted by CoderGuy View Post
                  <exhale> here, want some?
                  Puff, puff, pass...

                  The Deoxyribonucleic Hyperdimension is a site that features weird shit like extra dimensions, and what not. You should check it out if that's what interests you. Lots of information about meditation, exploring the mind, and 'feeding your head'.

                  http://deoxy.org
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                  • truthwolf1
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                    • Oct 2008
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by muddyfunkstar View Post
                    I don't think I could get my head around this without a good hit of acid and I stopped doing that stuff 20 years ago
                    I have to agree that the LSD experience showed me some fantastic dimensions of the universe. In a way it was like looking into the world with x-ray vision.

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                    • Ainkor
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                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1144

                      #11
                      Here is a pretty easy way to think of the 4th dimension, IMO:

                      3rd dimension: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington DC

                      4th dimension: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington DC June 6th 2001 @ 1:00pm

                      Think about it for a second

                      Going to the physical location is in the 3rd dimension. In the 4th dimension, it's not only going to a specific place in space, but along with that a specific place in time.

                      Once we figure it out it will seem like old hat.

                      I had a dream once that my family and I used to vacation with my great great grandfather and his family each year. It was just as simple as going to their house/time.

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                      • jagmanss
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                        • Jul 2010
                        • 12213

                        #12
                        I saw a UFO Once while i was having an acid induced Lucid dream that lead me to sleep Paralysis while living on a higer dimension of spritual conception.... and then saw Hitler..

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                        • LincolnSnuff
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                          • May 2010
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                          #13
                          One question: Why does any of this matter?

                          Also, hallucinations brought about by drugs does not mean you "see" or experience another dimension. It means you are FUBAR.

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                          • jagmanss
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                            • Jul 2010
                            • 12213

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LincolnSnuff View Post
                            One question: Why does any of this matter?

                            Also, hallucinations brought about by drugs does not mean you "see" or experience another dimension. It means you are FUBAR.
                            Would you look at that!

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                            • truthwolf1
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                              • Oct 2008
                              • 2696

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LincolnSnuff View Post
                              One question: Why does any of this matter?

                              Also, hallucinations brought about by drugs does not mean you "see" or experience another dimension. It means you are FUBAR.
                              You are plenty FUBAR on LSD!
                              but I disagree about not experiencing another dimension or seeing the world in a different way. The few times I did indulge with friends we witnessed some of the same hallucinations. There really could be something more to it then just the mind working in a individual state. Substances to achieve higher levels of spiritualism and consciousness have been used in many cultures for a very long time. I wonder if some monks dont reach levels similar without the use of drugs by just deep meditation.

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