Would you vote for this man?

[LincolnSnuff]

No I absolutely do not see it as a credible threat. If there were a credible threat, than people would be actively waging Jihad against America. Someone just got 3 pairs of box cutters onto a flight at JFK last week, there is no security or protection, it's just that terrorists are not actively targeting the united states. At best we have a few lone nuts who were aided by our government.


9-11 was an attack, yes, but it was not an attack frmo another country. Us going and occupying Iraq or Afghanistan does nothing to prevent further 9-11 type events from happening.


What credible threat is there then Lincolnsnuf? What country is currently marching their armies in our direction, which nation has stormed our beaches lately? The reality is that we are doing more to exacerbate the problem than to fix it, our current foreign policy is more likely to encourage terrorism than it is to prevent it. And all the time there has been no real security at home and not 1 real terrorist attack.



If there were "10 million people" actively trying to "give their lives to kill/hurt/harm Americans", than where are they lincoln? How come none of them ever attack us, it would be so easy and would only take like 10 guys. A single guy with a decent budget could wreak havoc on a giant country like ours, but yet NO ONE EVER ATTACKS US even though our borders are wide open and our airport security is terrible. We aren't even trying to stop them and they still don't attack us. It's been a decade and we are no better off than the day after 9-11. We just have a bigger mess to clean up now...

You are stuck in the old paradigm that says threats only come from established countries. Learn a bit about the present before you run your mouth.

[lxskllr]

The primatives? Great assessment. Enough said. Wasn't it the so called "primatives" that got us here? If we didn't need bombers, nukes, and subs to deal with them how did they attack us in the first place genius? Just suck on your portions and wait for the next attack bro.

Yea, it is a pretty good assessment. Somehow we made it 300+ years without primitives taking out a building. You know why? It was a ****in' 1 off, and it'll never happen again. Bombers wouldn't have stopped it, missiles wouldn't have stopped it, and sure as ****in' shit, the Marines wouldn't have done a god damned thing, because it's never happened before. So tell me, which defense contractor writes your pay check? You're either shilling for an employer, or are as myopic as Mr Magoo :^S

[fishmeat]

The primatives? Great assessment. Enough said. Wasn't it the so called "primatives" that got us here? If we didn't need bombers, nukes, and subs to deal with them how did they attack us in the first place genius? Just suck on your portions and wait for the next attack bro.

Yea, it is a pretty good assessment. Somehow we made it 300+ years without primitives taking out a building. You know why? It was a ****in' 1 off, and it'll never happen again. Bombers wouldn't have stopped it, missiles wouldn't have stopped it, and sure as ****in' shit, the Marines wouldn't have done a god damned thing, because it's never happened before. So tell me, which defense contractor writes your pay check? You're either shilling for an employer, or are as myopic as Mr Magoo :^S

All I gotta say is this, somebodies gonna get butthurt by the end of this thread.

[GoVegan]

You are stuck in the old paradigm that says threats only come from established countries. Learn a bit about the present before you run your mouth.

Our government had all the information it needed to stop the attack. We knew who the terrorists were and that they were a threat even before 9/11 happened. It doesn't take trillions of dollars of specialized equipment to stop terrorism. It takes a lick of common sense and cooperation between agencies. We are also holding a lot of people in Guantanamo without trial and some of them claim to have been tortured. If these prisoners weren't terrorists before they were captured they probably will be when they are eventually released. We are creating our own enemies at this point but I guess that's good for business.

[GoVegan]

No, that isn't a credible threat. You don't need long range bombers to deal with primitives. You don't need nuclear subs to deal with primitives. You don't need aircraft carriers to deal with primitives either. 9-11 is the scare tactic the politicians, and the defense contractors that have them in their pockets use to justify their existence, and protect their money flow. The fact is our old shit is better than most people's new shit, and we don't need most of it if we don't sail around the world getting into other country's business where we don't belong. If we want to be imperialist ****s, at least be honest about it. Just take what is wanted, and stop wrapping everything up in a flag, and saying it's for "security".

+1 - we gave up a lot of our personal freedom for "security" under Bush. I was hoping Obama would give some of this freedom back but by the looks of things I guess I was hoping for too much.

[sgreger1]

You are stuck in the old paradigm that says threats only come from established countries. Learn a bit about the present before you run your mouth.

No, you are living in the old paradigm. Learn how guerilla warfare works, they have drawn us into their territory and we are playing by their rules, which is why it's been almost 10 years and we still suffer a blistering defeat every single day. I don't need to learn shit about the present, I am quit well versed in what the military is doing as well as what the terrorists are doing, and both of them are entangled in a delicate dance that serves the masters of both organizations. Al Quaida needs attention to stay relevent and they get the most funding and help when they fight the US, the US likes having an external enemy to point at so they can get all of their citizens to think like you, like someone is coming to get them every second. This allows the government to steal your rights by getting people like you to say, "Well that's okay, because 9-11 changed EVERYTHING!", which it did not.



Lincolnsnuff, please tell me why there are no more terrorist attacks? It's not because the government is preventing them, because even the lowest of amateurs get by security every time, so we know the government is not stopping anyone. So where are they?

FACT: If anyone actually WANTED to wreak destruction on the US it could be done on a small budget with only a few guys, maybe a few hundred dollars ion equipment could cost the US billions in infrastructure damage or loss of business. But there's a reason why no one even tries to do things here anymore, it's because they odn't have to, they have already won. The goal wqas to draw us into their territory where they have an advantage. As long as we continue playing into their hands than there is no need for people to attack the US.

[sgreger1]

Our government had all the information it needed to stop the attack. We knew who the terrorists were and that they were a threat even before 9/11 happened. It doesn't take trillions of dollars of specialized equipment to stop terrorism. It takes a lick of common sense and cooperation between agencies. We are also holding a lot of people in Guantanamo without trial and some of them claim to have been tortured. If these prisoners weren't terrorists before they were captured they probably will be when they are eventually released. We are creating our own enemies at this point but I guess that's good for business.

Absolutely this. If we wanted to fight terroists we would be doing it differently, this operation is obviously to breed terrorism/extremism and to rile up the middle east some more to make them do more crazy shit since they are all batshiat insane down there. Seems to have worked.