Alien Life Semi-Confirmed by NASA. (This may be historic)

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  • sgreger1
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    • Mar 2009
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    Alien Life Semi-Confirmed by NASA. (This may be historic)

    Coverage by Fox (sorry, tried to edit link, can't.)
    The Paper Itself Here
    His Page Here

    Journal of Cosmology, 2011, Vol 13,

    Fossils of Cyanobacteria in CI1 Carbonaceous Meteorites Richard B. Hoover, Ph.D. NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center

    Synopsis:

    Dr. Hoover has discovered evidence of microfossils similar to Cyanobacteria, in freshly fractured slices of the interior surfaces of the Alais, Ivuna, and Orgueil CI1 carbonaceous meteorites. Based on Field Emission Scanning Electron Microscopy (FESEM) and other measures, Dr. Hoover has concluded they are indigenous to these meteors and are similar to trichomic cyanobacteria and other trichomic prokaryotes such as filamentous sulfur bacteria. He concludes these fossilized bacteria are not Earthly contaminants but are the fossilized remains of living organisms which lived in the parent bodies of these meteors, e.g. comets, moons, and other astral bodies. The implications are that life is everywhere, and that life on Earth may have come from other planets.

    Members of the Scientific community were invited to analyze the results and to write critical commentaries or to speculate about the implications. These commentaries will be published on March 7 through March 10, 2011.

    Official Statement from Dr. Rudy Schild, Center for Astrophysics, Harvard-Smithsonian, Editor-in-Chief, Journal of Cosmology. We believe Dr. Hoover's careful analysis provides definitive evidence of ancient microbial life on astral bodies some of which may predate the origin of Earth and this solar system.
    Dr. Richard Hoover is a highly respected scientist and astrobiologist with a prestigious record of accomplishment at NASA. Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis. Our intention is to publish the commentaries, both pro and con, alongside Dr. Hoover's paper. In this way, the paper will have received a thorough vetting, and all points of view can be presented. No other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough analysis, and no other scientific journal in the history of science has made such a profoundly important paper available to the scientific community, for comment, before it is published. We believe the best way to advance science, is to promote debate and discussion.



    Read through the paper, here's what it all leads up to:
    Although many modern cyanobacteria are resistant to desiccation, they do not carry out active growth and mat building when they are in a dried state. However, it has been known since 1864 that the Orgueil meteorite is a microregolith breccia, comprised of minute particulates cemented together by water-soluble salts that are readily destroyed by exposure to liquid water.

    Therefore, it is suggested that none of the Orgueil samples could have ever been submerged in pools of liquid water needed to sustain the growth of large photoautotrophic cyanobacteria and required for the formation of benthic cyanobacterial mats since the meteorite arrived on Earth. Many of the filaments shown in the figures are clearly embedded in the meteorite rock matrix. Consequently, it is concluded that the Orgueil filaments cannot logically be interpreted as representing filamentous cyanobacteria that invaded the meteorite after its arrival. They are therefore interpreted as the indigenous remains of microfossils that were present in the meteorite rock matrix when the meteorite entered the Earth’s atmosphere.

    EDS elemental analyses carried out on the meteorite rock matrix and on living and fossil cyanobacteria and old and ancient biological materials have shown that the Orgueil filaments have elemental compositions that reflect the composition of the Orgueil meteorite matrix but that are very different from living and old microorganisms and biological filaments. Recently dead cyanobacteria and living cyanobacteria and other modern extremophiles are usually damaged by exposure to the focused FESEM electron beam during EDS analysis of small spots. This beam damage behavior was not observed in the Orgueil filaments or in Devonian, Cambrian, or Archaean fossils investigated. The C/N and C/S ratios of the Orgueil filaments are similar to fossilized materials and kerogens but very different from living biological matter, providing further evidence that the Orgueil filaments are not modern biological contaminants.



    The point: They believe that they have found several objects from outer space which contain the fossilized remains of bacteria which they say has to be from somewhere other than earth. They have effectively ruled out earthly contamination and have invited all the best scientists in the world to prove them wrong. If they can't, than in the coming weeks will be official acknowledgement that we are not alone in the universe. (Keep in mind, this is just bacteria, but where there is bacteria and time there will be more complex life)




    Some comments posted by others:


    robosatan:
    The universe was mainly hydrogen at the big bang. Heavier elements like carbon and oxygen can only be formed under immense pressure of a star much larger than own. It was the general consensus last time i heard, that our solar system is actually formed from the remnants of star gone supernova, as Carl Sagan would put it, spewing star stuff across our galaxy. The meteorite is believed to be extraterrestrial in origin due to the composition of the rock. Thus unless science fails us, there's a possibility that it traveled quite far. Perhaps originating from the supernova explosion sent the atoms in your body spiraling to form the sun and the planets.
    In fact this is what kind of excites me. If there's someway of telling that this rock is extremely old it could hint to the age of life. Right now we could be the products of a single super nova, if this microbe was fossilized at the same time of that then logic dictates there would have had to have been a super nova (or other process) that came before the one that made sol. Meaning that life could have potentially existed for billions of years before the earth even began to coalesce, greatly increasing the probability that there is indeed other intelligent life out there and possibly nearby!
  • Premium Parrots
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    • Feb 2008
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    #2
    then I can assume its not cheeze.
    Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I killed because they were annoying......





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    • jagmanss
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      • Jul 2010
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      #3
      They have found several objects from outer space which contain the fossilized remains of bacteria...

      So my guess would be the objects are fleshlights....

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      • sgreger1
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        • Mar 2009
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        #4
        Originally posted by jagmanss View Post
        They have found several objects from outer space which contain the fossilized remains of bacteria...

        So my guess would be the objects are fleshlights....

        Lol, no all the ones they found to date have ben proven to be contaminated from earth or are of a composition that we could never know if they were contaminated or not. This is the first time we can prove it beyond a doubt (according to NASA anyways, always remain skeptical, but it sounds promising).

        But yah, my best guess would be fleshlight-based life as opposed to the carbon-based sort that is native to earth

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        • truthwolf1
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          • Oct 2008
          • 2696

          #5
          I think they know exactly what is the scoop but science like this is just "crumbs" to keep the majority of the sheep off the real path.

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          • sgreger1
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            • Mar 2009
            • 9451

            #6
            Originally posted by truthwolf1 View Post
            I think they know exactly what is the scoop but science like this is just "crumbs" to keep the majority of the sheep off the real path.
            I feel like hollywood has been co-opted for years to slowly acclimate us to the inveitable conclusion that life exist elsewhere in the unvierse, the pope and the catholic church have been slowly moving in that direction too if you've been watching. Then with the big meeting with all the Bill Gate's of the world telling them that we know know life exists elsewhere, and now this comes a month or so afterwards.


            Either way, very exciting if this turn out to be for real this time but Charlie Sheen (www.livethesheendream.com) and other nonsense will probably dominate the news while the announcement that we are not alone goes by on page 13.

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            • truthwolf1
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              • Oct 2008
              • 2696

              #7
              it is for certain very good news and one more mind opener

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              • CoderGuy
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                • Jul 2009
                • 2679

                #8
                Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                I feel like hollywood has been co-opted for years to slowly acclimate us to the inveitable conclusion that life exist elsewhere in the unvierse, the pope and the catholic church have been slowly moving in that direction too if you've been watching. Then with the big meeting with all the Bill Gate's of the world telling them that we know know life exists elsewhere, and now this comes a month or so afterwards.


                Either way, very exciting if this turn out to be for real this time but Charlie Sheen (www.livethesheendream.com) and other nonsense will probably dominate the news while the announcement that we are not alone goes by on page 13.

                Exactly! We all know Sheen, Lohan, and Beiber's new haircut are the important things, and then they sprinkle other non-important stuff in like the collapse of the middle east and that pesky increase in gas prices by the speculators. I am sure page 13 is quite generous, more like TMZ

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                • WickedKitchen
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                  • Nov 2009
                  • 2528

                  #9
                  It doesn't surprise me in the least bit that evidence of life has been found. I'm excited for the science community for it might speed up the exploration process. I think it would sooner be a case of us not looking in the right places or far enough rather than the actual void of life if even remnants of it.

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                  • spirit72
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                    • Apr 2008
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                    #10
                    Pretty exciting stuff. I was watching a show about U.S. space exploration on the Smithsonian Channel, and there was a bit about one of the flights, maybe to the Moon, where they found that bacteria that had incidentally gone with the astronauts from earth were still alive and well upon return. So we've known that at least some anaerobic bacteria can survive the vaccum of space for some time.

                    But still, pretty exciting! Not the little green men, nor the extraterrestrial invasion people were anticipating, sure. But exciting.

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                    • lxskllr
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                      • Sep 2007
                      • 13435

                      #11
                      Completely expected. It's great that they have proof, but it was always assumed by me. I guess science can't work by assumptions though :^D As for the little green men... They're out there, whether we know about them or not. All we need is faster ships, and some shortcuts around the galaxy/between galaxies, and we'll find them :^)

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                      • captncaveman
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                        • Jul 2008
                        • 924

                        #12
                        This was bound to happen. I will have to agree with lxskllr on the point that majority of us have assumed there is life out there, we do need faster space craft and shortcuts around the galaxy. As for he catholic church, I really don't care what they have to say on the matter.

                        I will also agree that most people will find celebrity news more appealing then scientific findings. That would be the main reason why the news outlets will push Charlie Sheens recent problems more than this evidence from NASA, it sells!

                        Then you get the whack jobs out there that will try to find a way to dismiss this proof. Since "their god" created life on earth, since there "book" or "books" never mentions other planets or other life they will claim its another trick from the devil.... have you ever ran across the folks that think dinosaur bones were planted to test our faith?

                        It will be interesting to see other "communities" spin on this evidence. Either trying to use this info and misinformation to push their own agenda.

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                        • Darwin
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                          • Mar 2010
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                          #13
                          Even if life on Earth was "seeded" by alien micro-organisms it merely pushes back the question of the origin of life to another location where it, if you aren't a religionist, must have evolved somehow. Merely shifting the origin of life from some 4 billion year old earthly fumarole to somewhere in the Oort Cloud, or even some other star system, doesn't really solve any evolutionary questions per-se. As has been pointed out we really need faster spacecraft to find other civilizations but "faster" radically understates the problem. We need ships capable of many [I]thousands[I] of times the speeds we can currently muster, at a minimum, to have any hope of exploring even a minor fraction of this galaxy. My personal best guess for this capability is from several centuries to---never.

                          Be a bloody shame if it turns out to be never but the odds point distinctly in that direction. There's plenty of real estate to explore in this solar system however and the problems of getting around it in a timely fashion are several orders of magnitude less problematic than getting to even the next star. Concentrating on that will pay big dividends and the issues of FTL speeds will resolve themselves in due course, I hope.

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                          • WickedKitchen
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                            • Nov 2009
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                            #14
                            It will be interesting to see how the Catholic Church might spin this one...

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                            • Bigblue1
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                              • Dec 2008
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                              #15
                              I Don't care what you guys say Right now I'm on a drug called Charlie Sheen and I will be "winning" for the foreseeable future. Now kiss my tiger blooded ass!

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