Man killed wife and daughters because of Champix anti smoking tablets.

[EricHill78]

Note to self... stay on Frosted's good side lol

[Ansel]

That's a very sad news story.

[Frosted]

It is Ansel and it surprises me that it happens a lot.

[Ansel]

It is Ansel and it surprises me that it happens a lot.

Yep, i read about a guy a while back in Scotland i think who quit cigarettes and got depressed and killed himself. And i think this was just with patches or something. And he was only young. Very sad.

[lxskllr]

I read that as "kung fu twatting monks" the first couple times.

Curiously, I just found a calling to the cloth :^D

[sgreger1]

Frosted is right though, even when you don't deploy it's not like you are just sitting around smoking and joking while your stateside, though every unit is different so it's hard to speak about the broader military experience. But generally most of your non-deployed time is spent simulating the deployment theatre to better prepare yourself for the real thing. Our unit was mainly people that had been on 1 or 2 deployments already and everyone was anxious to be deployed because of how much better it was than the training. Our unit believed in "train heavy, fight light", meaning you train for a harder situation than you plan to actually find yourself in. It's like someone training for a marathon, if you are preparing for a 5k marathon, than run 10k during training, that way when the day of the big race comes you know you can run 5k like it was nothing. Similarly if the standard combat load was 300 rounds and 20 lbs of body armor, than we would train with 600 rounds and 40 lbs of armor. We would ruckmarch through mud for 20k, jump out of airplanes while carrying lots of heavy and sharp things, run unecessary distances etc all to train for deployment which was going to be MUCH easier than any of these things, never once during deployment did anyone run 10 miles or march for 3 days or jump out of airplanes and set up fire bases in the jungle using nothing but 550 cord and pinchos. No, deployment was more like getting paid double your wages (tax free) to go chill in a state of the art forward operating base built by Haliburton where the DFAC serves steak and lobster every night and there are dance halls and taco bells on site. It's a walk in the park compared to what we trained for as far as our soldiers were concerned, the only hard part is being away from your family.



I don't know how other units are and I don't know how euopean armies do it, but where I was stationed deployment was the easy part. The only advantage to being stateside is that you can drink alcohol and you have more leisure time on the weekends. Civilians tend to see deploying as a realy bad/scary thing because someone might get shot, but truthfully you are more likely to die in a ghetto in los angeles than anywhere in Iraq, especially since in Iraq the government equips you withthe best equipment and training and the rules are all in your favor. Everyone who signed up post November 11 2001 knew they would be deploying at some point...


But I digress. Yah I feel like killing people every time I go to the DMV or anywhere else, it's natural and I think everyone feels it, some people just get pushed over the edge, and those with pre-existing mental illness or combat experience are just a little closer to that edge and therefore a little easier to push over, but I think most people have felt like flipping out and spraying up the place before, that's natural. It's acting on it that is unatural and not tolerated.