Police openly steeling money at random to fund their department

[RobsanX]

Even though I don't live in WI, thank you for your service to your community.

As far as the people that have bad mouthed law enforcement officers, I am appalled but not surprised to your comments. My son is a police officer and puts his life on the line everyday. I hear some of the stories about the way people treat them. It makes me sick.

I don't post here much anymore but it is threads like this that is the reason. I usually don't even read the threads that have headers like this and wish I hadn't opened this one because I am highly offended by it.

I understand how you feel PMD, but when the police are allowed to put a bundle of drugs on your porch, then shoot up your house because you brought the package inside, there is something fundamentally wrong. I get packages from UPS almost every week, and now I have to worry about this?

The old adage "Respect is earned" is true. Getting angry will not help your cause. Leading by example like triplethreat675 is the best thing that your son can do.

[TheJanitor]

So, a heart surgeon is greedy, does unnecessary surgery, kills patient. Should we all just ride out our heart attacks because of a few bad apples? I think not. Has this place seriously devolved into yet another kooky conspiracy, "everyone's out to get us!" site?

[lxskllr]

So, a heart surgeon is greedy, does unnecessary surgery, kills patient. Should we all just ride out our heart attacks because of a few bad apples? I think not. Has this place seriously downgraded into yet another kooky conspiracy, "everyone's out to get us!" site?

Because power corrupts, and police work is self selecting for placing people that want power, into power. Guess what? I risked my life every day at work too, and it wasn't for some intangible goal of "keeping people safe". My work directly benefited people by putting in the roads and bridges that allow them to do their jobs. My work kept the dust out of their houses do to mining operations. My work moved nuclear material from the reactors, to the storage facilities, and my work allowed people to make money from their property by turning a worthless patch of ground into something useful.

I was the last set of eyes making sure the engineers and architects did their jobs correctly(they seldom did), and I was the one that got blamed when anything went wrong. I've come closer to death more than most here, and once got a helicopter ride to Baltimore(but of course had to find my own way home :^S). The only thanks I got was a relatively small paycheck(smaller than most cops), and I was allowed to come in and do it again the next day.

I don't put any authoritarian on a pedestal, and I'll give you as many links as you care to read about the FREQUENT abuses of power(sgreger1 gave you a good start), and the backing of said abuses by the state....

[TheJanitor]

Putting them on a pedestal is one thing, but to paint every cop in the world with your paranoid brush hardly seems fair. You worked in state-contracted construction huh? Yeah, no corruption there.......

[lxskllr]

. You worked in state-contracted construction huh? Yeah, no corruption there.......

No, private land surveying firm, and the corruption was pretty much limited to me sometimes taking longer than .5 hours for lunch, but still charging it to the job ;^)

[TheJanitor]

You won't find any arguments from me on the long lunch break......my 30 minute break is usually followed by a 20 minute Angry Birds break in the bathroom.

PS-Sorry about that last post. I was not trying to imply you were corrupt, only the business.

[GoVegan]

Angry bird break? Masturbating at work?

[TheJanitor]

Angry bird break? Masturbating at work?

No it's a game.....you're thinking of the one-eyed monster break

[Bigblue1]

As far as the people that have bad mouthed law enforcement officers, I am appalled but not surprised to your comments. My son is a police officer and puts his life on the line everyday. I hear some of the stories about the way people treat them. It makes me sick.

Not to be a dick, but there are always multiple sides to any story. I mean, are you with him when he's at work, Do you really know what's going on besides his bent side of the story? I think it's fair to say that a video is worth a million words and your sons complaining to you is just that.

[timholian]

Come on guys..... we all know nothing is 100%. Even in rotten police forces, imo, there are a handful of officers that are there for the right reasons and do the job to the best of their ability.

Same with soldiers..... they show the rotten ones on TV, making the whole lot look like shit. We should try to stop judging the whole for the mistakes of some.

my 2 cents

[Bigblue1]

You know, this post started off with a video that showed that this is a top down problem. These are actual policies that could not be enforced without the complicity of the LEO's. As somebody else pointed out the "I'm just doing my Job" defense went out with the trials at Nuremberg. Saying it's your job don't make it right. So, this isn't a cop bashing thread per say, but rather a policy issue that boils down to if a few good cops stood up to wouldn't be an issue at all..........

[Bigblue1]

For you good cops out there. There is an organization out there for you. the Oath keepers


Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, veterans, peace officers, and firefighters who will fulfill the oath we swore to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.
Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law and deprive them of their ancient right to jury trial.
We Oath Keepers have drawn a line in the sand. We will not “just follow orders.”
Our motto is “Not on our watch!”
If you, the American people, are forced to once again fight for your liberty in another American Revolution, you will not be alone. We will stand with you.
There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But you can rest assured that many others in the military do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution, and understand what that means.
The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers. We are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our own troops. To win that battle, Oath Keepers will use written and video testimony of active duty military, veterans (especially combat vets), and peace officers to reach, teach, and inspire our brothers in arms in the military and police to fulfill their oaths and stand as guardians of the Republic.
If you are currently in the military, are a veteran, or are a peace officer, please submit your written and/or video testimony on your oath, so you can help us win that battle for hearts and minds. Your submission may be anonymous.
Guardians of the Republic, fulfill your oath. Join us.

[sgreger1]

Even though I don't live in WI, thank you for your service to your community.

As far as the people that have bad mouthed law enforcement officers, I am appalled but not surprised to your comments. My son is a police officer and puts his life on the line everyday. I hear some of the stories about the way people treat them. It makes me sick.

I don't post here much anymore but it is threads like this that is the reason. I usually don't even read the threads that have headers like this and wish I hadn't opened this one because I am highly offended by it.

Proudmarinedad, I know you are an upstanding guy and we all thank your son for his service. The point here is not to say **** the police because I too have family in law enforcement, but rather to outline the rapid decline of our police force as a whole. Perhaps you see it less where you live, but the police here are plain criminals, if you need help and call them they WILL NOT HELP, they will take a report and that's it (hours after the crime has taken place of course) and no investigation. They are only there when it's time to collect on money.

So many times I have called the police for help and never once have they ever been helpful in any way, they are usually rude and are quick to hurt/assault you if you don't treat them like gods. I almost got shot asking a police officer for directions once in LA because he was so hyper-vigilante that me even walking up to the police car (from the front where I was clearly visible) to ask for direction led to me being placed on the ground with a gun to my back because "you never get that close to a police car you stupid ****ing punk". I'm from the city where cops shoot you in the back 10 times while your not armed and get off with 6 months suspension with pay, you have to see why some of us see things from a different angle than you Proudmarinedad.

They will spend $10,000 to break up a house party of high-schoolers by dispatching a police helicopter to shine the spotlights on the house, but when my friends house got shot up they could barely even get a return phone call from the investigator. Same with me, they found my stolen vehicle and let the thief go while they charged me a several hundred dollar "finding your stolen vehicle fee" and then physically restrained me from picking up my vehicle for 30 days at which point they are legally allowed to sell it because "I didn't pick it up in time". So now I owe $10,000 on a brand new ****ing vehicle that they blatantly stole from me, and I have the name and address of the criminal and the police wouldn't even respond to calls from me OR my lawyer or put the thief in jail or even make him pay the fine! There is no protect and serve where I live, and these are not people to be celebrated.

No one is trying to imply all police are like that, just that the police force as a whole is moving in this direction. Living in the ghetto I would be the criminal if I open-carried a firearm for protection and would go to jail even though it is not against the law, but when drug addicts break into my house the police won't even investigate it even though there was a camera pointing directly onto my property that they could have gotten the tape from. They refuse to even try to help out citizens. Of all my encounters with the police none of them ever led to a resolved crime and most of them ended with me being treated like some peon who is lucky that I didn't get shot or arrested.

I used to always donate money to the fallen officers fund or whatever it's called in LA, but I don't anymore, because they are the ones leading to death more so than the criminals that they never catch. The murder rate 15 minutes away in oakland has increased by 30% this last year, yet speeding tickets have gone up too, it's all about money and not about solving crime.




EDIT: You know what, **** that, I remember when I was younger and the police beat my dad because someone stole our car radio and he went down with his pistol to chase them off (the pistol was unloaded and the barrel filled with newspaper), but the cops threw him up against the gate and beat him and took him away to jail while the original criminal got nothing. Or how about the time when the mexican gang bangers would always harass my mom and me on our way home from work and spit on us and threaten to rape her and flash their guns, but the police would NEVER ****ing follow up or come stop them even though they hung out infront of our house every day. I'm so sick of the cops hurting me and my family (more than criminals ever have), i'm tired of having guns pointed at me and being threatened that I will get shot, I am sick of them searching my car over and over to find nothing, I am sick of the fact that they threaten to not stop criminals if I don't allow tax increases. So you have to see why some of us see the world from a different perspective than you, who is just a normal guy who has a son who is a cop.

[ProudMarineDad]

Not to be a dick, but there are always multiple sides to any story. I mean, are you with him when he's at work, Do you really know what's going on besides his bent(?) side of the story? I think it's fair to say that a video is worth a million words and your sons complaining to you is just that.

Blue, I really don't appreciate your choice of words with "bent". So you are saying that my son is lying when he says some scum bag wasn't driving drunk or was speeding or spit on him or threatened to kill him? Both of which has happened. Guess since some idiot in Tennessee is a bad cop that makes my son a corrupt cop too. Wow.

You're probably right. We need a law enforcement system like Mexico, any country from the Middle East, or if we were to be really blessed, China or Russia.

[Bigblue1]

I'm not saying he is a liar. But every opinion any of us have is Bent to our way of thinking. That's a fact...... And defaulting to an 'it could be worse" defense is lame as well....... Don't take it personally man, like lx said we could post abuses of power for days, but tht wouldn't change the way you feel about your son, and i get that i do. The point of the thread had nothing to do with your boy. Until you injected him into the mix.