Obama puts Medicare, Social Security cuts on the table

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  • truthwolf1
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    • Oct 2008
    • 2696

    Obama puts Medicare, Social Security cuts on the table

    YES WE CAN

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-puts-med...031442907.html

    The Obama administration, in seeking $4 trillion in spending cuts in a debt limit deal, has put major changes to Social Security and Medicare on the table if Republicans agree to increased tax revenues.

    The offer caters to both sides in the debt limit negotiations and according to the Washington Post, President Obama will urge congressional leaders on Thursday to seize the opportunity to act. The compromise, however, still puts both Republicans and Democrats in tough spots.

    Democrats have vowed to protect Medicare and Social Security, while Republicans still argue that tax increases are not realistic legislative proposals. If leadership from both parties agree to the Obama’s compromise, the next move will be to sell the plan to their respective bases and to members of Congress.

    But Thursday’s meetings at the White House will reveal just how many concessions each party is willing to make.

    The president has reportedly already privately discussed his plan with Speaker of the House John Boehner. Michael Steel, spokesperson for Boehner, though, told the Washington Post “there are no tax increases on the table.”

    But House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, however, signaled Wednesday that he may be flexible on ending certain loopholes in the tax code. (Obama recognizes mistakes in Twitter town hall)

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has warned that if the debt limit is not raised by August 2, the United States will default on its debt.
  • RobsanX
    Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 2030

    #2
    Here the president has proposed slaughtering two sacred cows to try to get agreement. This has to be some kind of trick, right?

    This debt ceiling stuff is all artificial anyway because the U.S. Constitution requires that the government pay its debts. If there is no agreement, then the president simply has to invoke the fourth clause of the fourteenth amendment and have the U.S. treasury pay the debts.

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    • ABW
      Member
      • May 2011
      • 793

      #3
      Originally posted by RobsanX
      Here the president has proposed slaughtering two sacred cows to try to get agreement. This has to be some kind of trick, right?

      This debt ceiling stuff is all artificial anyway because the U.S. Constitution requires that the government pay its debts. If there is no agreement, then the president simply has to invoke the fourth clause of the fourteenth amendment and have the U.S. treasury pay the debts.
      Nope.. That clause has to do with insurrection and issuing of bonds that were illegal due to slavery etc... and such... Congress holds the purse strings and that's the way it should be.. That's what gives us the balance of power...

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      • RobsanX
        Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 2030

        #4
        These are debts that congress has already authorized, therefore the clause applies.

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        • ABW
          Member
          • May 2011
          • 793

          #5
          Trust me... It's does not.. Just like Greece we can and will default if a deal is not reached... Congress is the only one with the power to pay....The president does not have unlimited authority. If he makes a deal on SS or MC that will be that...


          Edit-- it also not so much as the ability to pay.. It's the ability to borrow and no country is going to lend us money to pay for our broken system if congress will not back the loan with the full faith and power of the the US...

          Countries are not going to loan money on Obama's or any presidents word... Presidents and party's come and go... They want the word of the US and that is the word of Congress... That's what this is really about...

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          • RobsanX
            Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 2030

            #6
            It's not about the president. It's in the Constitution. We have to pay our debts that were authorized by Congress. You can't ignore the Constituion when it suits your cause.

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            • hippiebrian
              Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 36

              #7
              It's a shame he's picked Social Security and Medicare to deal with when there are so many other cuts that could be made that wouldn't hurt our senior citizens. Shameful, really.

              Both sides have a point, as we need to cut spending and we need more income. Problem is, both sides seem to be wanting to do what's worst for middle America by raising taxes more than we can really afford and only bringing up social services for cuts. Get real, this can be accomplished without sticking it to us as hard as they both want to!

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              • ABW
                Member
                • May 2011
                • 793

                #8
                Originally posted by RobsanX
                It's not about the president. It's in the Constitution. We have to pay our debts that were authorized by Congress. You can't ignore the Constituion when it suits your cause.
                It's not my cause... I'm just saying you give what you don't have...

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                • RobsanX
                  Member
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 2030

                  #9
                  This country has been in debt since its founding. Since our currency is based on the full faith and credit of the U.S.A. then we have been paying our debts with credit all along. The debt ceiling is as artificial as our currency, but the Constitution requires that we pay our debts with that artificial currency.

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                  • ABW
                    Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 793

                    #10
                    Artificial or not the world works on money...fake or not... And if we reach the debt ceiling no one is going to loan us any more fake money...lol... That's the real problem... I hope you see what I am saying..

                    We currently pay our debts with fake money that is lent to us... Other countries will not continue to lend us said fake money if the debt ceiling is reached.. We cant just print more fake money because if the books don't jive we will have hyperinflation...

                    There is a reason they are so worried about it.. It's not just something you can mess with..

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                    • truthwolf1
                      Member
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 2696

                      #11
                      Originally posted by hippiebrian
                      It's a shame he's picked Social Security and Medicare to deal with when there are so many other cuts that could be made that wouldn't hurt our senior citizens. Shameful, really.

                      Both sides have a point, as we need to cut spending and we need more income. Problem is, both sides seem to be wanting to do what's worst for middle America by raising taxes more than we can really afford and only bringing up social services for cuts. Get real, this can be accomplished without sticking it to us as hard as they both want to!
                      Exactly.
                      This was being drummed up by the Republicans a number of months ago in Mainstream media and now it comes down to "WEll, we had to do it to compromise" game.

                      Such a one party system! unbelievable.

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                      • ABW
                        Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 793

                        #12
                        It does piss me off that every check I get they kill me on something I will never get...

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