better think twice about those torrents

[Bigblue1]

I had trouble tonight down loading stuff. So I did a search and find this shit.


(Reuters) - Consumers who illegally download copyrighted films, music or television shows might see their Internet speed slowed or access restricted under an industry anti-piracy effort announced on Thursday.

full story here https://(Reuters) - Consumers who il...d on Thursday.

[LincolnSnuff]

You should probably stop stealing copyrighted materials. You are the reason my cable bill is so high.

Do you walk out of Best Buy with DVD's stuffed in your pants? Same thing. If you worked hard to produce a product to put food on the table for your kids would you be okay with people just stealing it and distributing it for free? I doubt it.

"Only together can we break the paradigm." Just sayin'.

[lxskllr]

You should probably stop stealing copyrighted materials. You are the reason my cable bill is so high.

Do you walk out of Best Buy with DVD's stuffed in your pants? Same thing. If you worked hard to produce a product to put food on the table for your kids would you be okay with people just stealing it and distributing it for free? I doubt it.

"Only together can we break the paradigm." Just sayin'.

Irrelevant analogies ftl. Copyright infringement isn't stealing, no matter what the content providers try to say. When you take something from BestBuy, you're removing a physical item that was paid for by BestBuy. When you infringe copyright, nobody loses anything. They may, or may not lose a potential sale, but their bottom line hasn't changed one iota after the infringement.

Btw, your cable bill is high due to a monopolistic industry. They charge that much cause you don't have any recourse. That's slowly changing, but it's a fact of life at this time.

[LincolnSnuff]

Irrelevant analogies ftl. Copyright infringement isn't stealing, no matter what the content providers try to say. When you take something from BestBuy, you're removing a physical item that was paid for by BestBuy. When you infringe copyright, nobody loses anything. They may, or may not lose a potential sale, but their bottom line hasn't changed one iota after the infringement.

Btw, your cable bill is high due to a monopolistic industry. They charge that much cause you don't have any recourse. That's slowly changing, but it's a fact of life at this time.

It's not an irrelevant analogy. While your personal belief may be that it is not stealing because you feel a need to justify what you are doing, there are still laws prohibiting the behavior. Laws which you and Bigblue1 are breaking by downloading the material. It is a lost sale for the creator, bottom line. If you didn't download it illegally, you would pay for it. It's illegal and those who choose an illegal behavior shouldn't whine on forums when they are punished either by law enforcement or their internet provider.

You should watch the recent MSNBC special on counterfeit goods which details the actual losses to our economy, including jobs, when foreign entities create counterfeit media and material goods. This has very similar effects. Why do you think most of the music stores of old have closed and now you can only purchase CDs at the big-box stores?

[lxskllr]

We have a precise language for a reason. Arson isn't shoplifting, murder isn't speeding, growing weed isn't animal abuse, and copyright infringement isn't stealing. I've read quite a bit on copyright issues, and from much more varied, and better sources than MSNBC. The numbers the industry, and government puts forth are fraudulent, plain and simple.

[Bigblue1]

I really don't care what your self righteous ass thinks. The only thing I was trying to convey to the community that they may want to be careful doing whatever it is that they do in the sanctity of their home with a service that they pay for. So leave the lecture for someone who give's a f#ck what you think.

[truthwolf1]

Why do you think most of the music stores of old have closed and now you can only purchase CDs at the big-box stores?

Because most music is crap these days. Album's are not as good as they use to be. One hit wonders, get rich on trendy foot taping song that is almost forgotten as fast as it came is the game today.

Crap product with over inflated price does not work anymore. The smart guys give it for free and if it is good they will make a dollar at shows.

[devilock76]

We have a precise language for a reason. Arson isn't shoplifting, murder isn't speeding, growing weed isn't animal abuse, and copyright infringement isn't stealing. I've read quite a bit on copyright issues, and from much more varied, and better sources than MSNBC. The numbers the industry, and government puts forth are fraudulent, plain and simple.

Umm, downloading something for free that is expected to be paid for isn't copyright infringement. Copyright infringement is rebroadcasting or redistributing that material without the copyright owner consent. Hence why when they bring a copy right charge against file sharing services it is not the people who download they hit but the ones they downloaded from. This is why it is perfectly legal to rip a copy of a CD or DVD for your own usage, yet you cannot distribute that copy. That is the point of COPY right, it is the right to COPY that material.

If you take a copy of something that is intellectual property that is in effect stealing. Just because it is not a physical product does not mean there are not resources involved in providing it that now are wasted as they were not paid for. Take a software product for example. If you want the ability to not to have to go buy a physical item and shop for such things at home it might be good to support businesses practicing this in a way you like as a consumer.

For the most part digital downloads of things like say cd's are cheaper than going to physically buy the CD. When they aren't I don't get them. You may look at the processing of a CD to be the big expense and you shouldn't pay but a great deal of money goes into the AR and Studio production of major label albums. Granted major labels pay a pittance to non superstars for each download and CD sale compared to the overall price of the medium. When you steal it (and yes that is the operative word) you take that pittance away from the artist you like so much.

Independent artists is a whole nother matter though.

Personally, I don't buy major label music for my personal enjoyment, I only buy it for use in my DJ library as needed. My personal enjoyment music is typically from local and independent artists which I pay money to support. If you don't like the major label pricing structure, don't buy it. Now years ago in the early file sharing days I downloaded a ton of stuff for free. I don't anymore as I had a change of mind about what in effect I was really doing. Think of it like you might software. I don't like the microsoft way of doing business, so I don't support it, but I don't steal their software either. I may get an OEM copy with a computer I purchase but typically I use FOSS solutions and most of my computing is in Linux. Granted I consider it better also but even still I prefer that means of doing business and supporting FOSS projects that make me more productive and actually net me profits.

Ken

[truthwolf1]

BLue, not sure if you have COMCAST, but they do track and threaten to cut off your service for downloading movies. Happened to a few of my friends and myself.
The threat warnings are in your Comcast email account. I checked email account on a whim and there they were. Never would of known otherwise

[devilock76]

Because most music is crap these days. Album's are not as good as they use to be. One hit wonders, get rich on trendy foot taping song that is almost forgotten as fast as it came is the game today.

Crap product with over inflated price does not work anymore. The smart guys give it for free and if it is good they will make a dollar at shows.

Touring is expensive, and up until the prices went through the roof for concert tickets was not a profitable venture. Major label acts had to do that though because of people downloading. Yeah most new stuff is garbage. Don't buy it or download it. But if you think something is really good you should support it, and in business, and music is a business, support means money. Some more established artists have given away newer albums. But they were in the fiscal position to do so and that business model has not been proven to lead to back catalog sales or more concert ticket sales, yet.

Independent bands, when they tour typically their biggest profit is the merch table unless they are a band that does a whole night of music mixing crowd pleasing covers with their originals. In those cases those bands tend to get paid better by the establishment they are playing at.

Ken

[AtreyuKun]

I fail to see how me downloading ancient episodes of You Can't Do That On Television hurts anyone. Think I would buy them on DVD if they were available? Damn sure would! But it isn't so download I go.
I support those people I believe in. My friend Alu in LA, buying her shit. Well, I'm buying her CD's actually, not her shit. The guys at Famicom Dojo, I bought their DVD. GN? I'm supporting him by not buying General.
90% of my favorite stuff are the things nobody has heard of or cares about. Those are the people who get my money.

[devilock76]

I fail to see how me downloading ancient episodes of You Can't Do That On Television hurts anyone. Think I would buy them on DVD if they were available? Damn sure would! But it isn't so download I go.
I support those people I believe in. My friend Alu in LA, buying her shit. Well, I'm buying her CD's actually, not her shit. The guys at Famicom Dojo, I bought their DVD. GN? I'm supporting him by not buying General.
90% of my favorite stuff are the things nobody has heard of or cares about. Those are the people who get my money.

Well if that is the only means by which you can get it I have no argument. The industry should adapt if there is a marketable demand for a product. You might just be the only person I have ever heard of actively seeking those episodes. HEHEHEHEHE.

Ken

[c.nash]

GN? I'm supporting him by not buying General.
90% of my favorite stuff are the things nobody has heard of or cares about. Those are the people who get my money.

wait.. We can download snus? Where!?

[clint404]

I sure as shit wasn't paying for that justin bieber album.

[LincolnSnuff]

We have a precise language for a reason. Arson isn't shoplifting, murder isn't speeding, growing weed isn't animal abuse, and copyright infringement isn't stealing. I've read quite a bit on copyright issues, and from much more varied, and better sources than MSNBC. The numbers the industry, and government puts forth are fraudulent, plain and simple

Why would you compare arson to shoplifting? The reason copyright infringement is illegal is fundamentally because it is stealing. I'm sorry, but if you can't understand that then you have developed your views in response to your own instinct that what you are doing is wrong. Why else, do you propose, that copyright infringement is illegal? Why is it also called "piracy?" How is that for precise language?

It's like saying "Oh, I don't think molesting a 12 year old child is wrong because that's what I like to do, the government's numbers about the harms are fraudulent, it wasn't illegal 2000 years ago, and I will dismiss anyone who says otherwise without providing an iota of evidence." C'mon, you are just trying to justify what you are doing because you know it's wrong.

I really don't care what your self righteous ass thinks. The only thing I was trying to convey to the community that they may want to be careful doing whatever it is that they do in the sanctity of their home with a service that they pay for. So leave the lecture for someone who give's a f#ck what you think.

Name calling? Very mature. Why do you post something on a public forum about an illegal activity you are engaging in and then get upset when someone recommends, for your benefit, that you should stop? This is a harm-reduction forum FYI. As far as I know, they don't allow snus in any federal prisons which is where you could end up. Just trying to help here.