better think twice about those torrents

[EricHill78]

I just downloaded the entire show the Dead played at the Jai-Alai Fronton in Miami on the day I was born, completely free!

I get the sneaking suspicion that somewhere, somehow...Jerry smiled...

Thats awesome bro.. I've heard the dead didnt mind at all people recordin their shows. Now that's cool.

War Freakin Eagle!!!!!

Lol whenever i read one of yer posts i think war eagle.

[EricHill78]

Speakin of which a friend from gulfshores was sposed to mail me an auburn magnet for my car.. mailbox still empty!

[Bigblue1]

Thats awesome bro.. I've heard the dead didnt mind at all people recordin their shows. Now that's cool.

War Freakin Eagle!!!!!

Lol whenever i read one of yer posts i think war eagle.

The dead would have never become as popular as they became without early file sharing. Metallica either. And those are just the big ones........... I'm actually of the thought process now as to let them disallow all this shit and see what it get's them............ Yeah they might get a few more bieber sales but i can gaurantee they will lose sales on lesser known most likely better bands. And in the end who will that hurt the most? the better bands and the people who miss out on their stuff........ All of you all claiming intellectual property are confusing things. The little guy will always benefit from unlimited exposure, without it he may as well try to hit the road and kill himself trying to expose his wares............ The only people this shit benefits is the labels and agents.......

[Bigblue1]

I was offered to go see super 8 tonight, I declined, not because i want to go torrent a hack hand held copy, but because I am a patient individual who can wait 5 months for it to hit netflix and not be confined to a theater where i can't do what I want, miss some scenes cuz i want to get refreshments or take a leak. So is netflix stealing profits from the studios? i don't think so. Maybe I'm not stupid enough to think theaters are that big of an enhancement on the product, Maybe i would never pay $10 for something i can eventually get for pennies on the dollar, Does that mean I'd DL it before it became available? I think not. The whole argument is just stupid for 90% of the populace........

[Owens187]

I totally agree with everything lx has said, and hate the RIAA, record labels and whatnot with a passion.

On the other hand, I hate downloading music either way, as I prefer to have the hard copy of the album, along with artwork etc etc. Call me old fashioned.

[sgreger1]

I was offered to go see super 8 tonight, I declined, not because i want to go torrent a hack hand held copy, but because I am a patient individual who can wait 5 months for it to hit netflix and not be confined to a theater where i can't do what I want, miss some scenes cuz i want to get refreshments or take a leak. So is netflix stealing profits from the studios? i don't think so. Maybe I'm not stupid enough to think theaters are that big of an enhancement on the product, Maybe i would never pay $10 for something i can eventually get for pennies on the dollar, Does that mean I'd DL it before it became available? I think not. The whole argument is just stupid for 90% of the populace........

Dude I am the same way. Here a movie is $14 per ticket and refreshments are amusement-park expensive, so me and the wife watching a movie and eating some popcorn anda drink is like $40 easy. I think it's a complete and utter waste of time and money, I hate theaters and would rather watch it on home. For 3/4 the price of 1 movie I can watch unlimited movies on my netflix account.


As for torrenting, lol @ anyone who thinks they will stop it. They may scare the mainstream out of doing it but the techies will always continue pirating shit and there is nothing that any of these guys can do about it. It's the internet, deal with it. But pretty soon they will find a way to regulate the shit out of it as always, so that way it is more suitable for corporate exploitation and profits. Someday we'll be talking to our grandkids and reminiscing about how the 90's were like the digital wild west years.

[EricHill78]

I totally agree with everything lx has said, and hate the RIAA, record labels and whatnot with a passion.

On the other hand, I hate downloading music either way, as I prefer to have the hard copy of the album, along with artwork etc etc. Call me old fashioned.

I really miss old albums. One of the first I ever got was the Ozzy double album tribute to Randy Rhoads. Loved looking at the album pics while listening to it..good times

[sgreger1]

[Snusify]

It is all bullshit. They said home taping would kill music they said video recorders would do that to the movie industry. When napster was at peak CD sales went up. Studies have shown people who download music illegally are 10 times more likely to purchase music than those that don't. The industry freak when their latest movie is leaked. Prior to release yet it still goes on to break box office records.

ISP's are using copyright myths as a cover. They don't want you using peer to peer technologies as they have resold too many accounts for their networks. They don't want you to use the bandwidth you are paying for. This is the reason they implement traffic shaping.

[internope]

It is all bullshit. They said home taping would kill music they said video recorders would do that to the movie industry. When napster was at peak CD sales went up. Studies have shown people who download music illegally are 10 times more likely to purchase music than those that don't. The industry freak when their latest movie is leaked. Prior to release yet it still goes on to break box office records.

I don't know who these people are that buy after they have figured out how to download. I never purchase music or a video if I can get it from a torrent, unless it is some rare old record that I would like to have stashed away as a collectible. The last CD I purchased was a pirated compilation of house music I picked up from a seller on the street while I was working in China last month. At the moment I can't even recall the last time I paid for legal content after canceling cable television a couple of years ago.

ISP's are using copyright myths as a cover. They don't want you using peer to peer technologies as they have resold too many accounts for their networks. They don't want you to use the bandwidth you are paying for. This is the reason they implement traffic shaping.

Whether p2p or legal sources like the Netflix, the free ride for us bandwidth hogs won't continue forever. Consumer pricing has always been based on a shared network capacity. I don't think that any consumer would want to pay what it would cost for a broadband pipe with a guaranteed committed interface rate to their home.

[AtreyuKun]

Speakin of which a friend from gulfshores was sposed to mail me an auburn magnet for my car.. mailbox still empty!

Hey man, if I happen to see one, I'll send it to you. I'll keep an eye out for you.

[lxskllr]

On the other hand, I hate downloading music either way, as I prefer to have the hard copy of the album, along with artwork etc etc. Call me old fashioned.

Packaging lost me when things went to CDs. It just isn't the same looking over a little square of plastic. I prefer saving the petroleum, and just getting it digitally. Digital music is actually my greatest dream come true. Back in the dark ages of the 1980s, I had a 6 CD disc changer. That was pretty cool, but still very limited. At that time I envisioned a daughter board that would plug into a receiver. You'd buy your music on a chip, then plug it into the daughter board. You could hold hundreds of CDs in very little space. That would have been pretty cool in 1987, eh? Well things have gotten much better than that. I can play my computer for weeks, and never hear the same song twice. I wish my whole collection was digital. CDs? Meh... I'll take convenience, and portability.

[Ephemeris]

Efforts to thwart torrenting in this day and age will end up like all other crusades against media sharing/stealing/copying.



We've heard this same argument for centuries. Libraries were going to put booksellers out of business. Drive-ins were going to replace walk-in theaters. People weren't going to go to the theaters period once TV was invented. The telephone/UPS/Western Union/e-mail were going to put the Post Office out of business. I'm sure that 30 years from now our grandkids will laugh at all the "torrenting is killing the movie/music industry" propaganda of today just like we laugh at the radio execs who trembled at the awesome might of MTV in 1982.

A guy in my position would stand to (theoretically) lose a lot of desperately-needed money if someone were to start torrenting my magazine, so I politely ask that nobody publicly share The Ephemeris until we achieve some sort of financial stability. But at the same time (like LX pointed out elsewhere) the people who "steal" a digital copy probably weren't going to buy the magazine in the first place, so it's really a moot point. And I damn sure ain't gonna take advantage of the situation by jacking up the cover price and giving our readership some lame excuse like "torrenting is the reason this magazine costs so much" in hopes that they'll buy such a BS excuse and in turn lash out against the downloaders.

And if someone like me (a little guy who has the most to lose) isn't threatened by file sharing, I have no idea why a multi-billion dollar industry is so up in arms over a tiny percentage of "lost" revenue. When a millionaire like Prince goes apeshit over a toddler dancing to "Let's Go Crazy" on a youtube video, it really makes them look petty beyond belief. Lars Ulrich can shove his drumstick up his ass for all I care- even if I liked Metallica I wouldn't ever buy another album by them just based on their arrogant greed.

And lastly, file sharing is not piracy. A pirate's goal is to try and make some money. Piracy is burning a copy to disc and trying to sell it at the flea market for a profit. These bastards are counterfeit bootleggers, and should be shot on site. Trying to make money off of something you had no hand in the creation of is vile, and it offends me when someone tries to equate torrenting with illegal activity.

Of course, this argument is also becoming moot as torrentors have taken this formerly derogatory term and turned it into something positive (sort of like the hippies did with "freak" and the gays did with "queer").

Either way, Jesus pirated bread 2,000 years ago and I'm sure the baking industry was very upset about it.

[Xobeloot]

Honestly guys. I'm just chiming in on this, but this is nothing new. Frankly, they have no way to know exactly WHAT you are downloading via torrent. What they DO know is that you are pulling a crapload of bandwidth. SLowing down people who download too much (throttling) is not a new practice by providers. I dont remember the last time I downloaded a hacked movie, cd or the likes, but what I can tell you is that I typically download (on average) a metric assload of video game material. My downloads are perfectly legal, paid for by yours truly, and distributed to me via torrent files through services such as Steam (valve software).

I have received warning notices telling me to stop my piracy of illegal music/movies when I used CLEAR 4G Internet. They throttled my speed from unlimited to roughly 0.10mbps. I promptly faxed the manager there a copy of my Steam and Itunes receipts and miraculously, my speed returned. I have since switched to Time Warner and have not had a single issue with throttling.

So yeah. This is not anything new, It is solely based on HOW MUCH you are downloading, not WHAT you are downloading. If you are doing the right thing (see example above), you have nothing to worry about. If you are pirating movies, music, software... Be prepared for your connection to be dogged. The good thing is that most places use an invisible cap before they automatically throttle you. That typically resets each new billing cycle.

Just google your ISP + Throttling and im sure you'll find people who can already tell you around what point (if any) they got throttled.

Cheers!

[shikitohno]

As has been mentioned, the industry is just shooting itself in the foot here by refusing to adapt to changing times.

A study has shown that those who regularly download illegally shared music buy 10 times more music through legal services than their peers who don't.

And the Canadian branch of the RIAA, the Canadian Record Industry Association found that in their own study, pirates were once more more likely to buy music legally than those that did not pirate at all. Availability of music for free via illegal channels was said to account for only 10% of people who reported purchasing less music legally, versus just over a third who simply couldn't be bothered to buy music at all.

Further studies concerning the effects of piracy and counterfeit goods seem to just pull numbers out their ass.

Another goes on to demonstrate how filesharing has actually been a net gain for the industry.

Yes, at the moment, it's illegal. I'm with lx though, in believing it's a misguided law, and the fact that the major publishers bitch and moan so much about much it hurts them, when numbers show that it benefits them overall, if anything just makes me want to go out and torrent some stuff out of spite. If you're going to sh¡t on me when I buy your product with drm, poor quality, poor service and long waits to get me the product I've been telling you I want to buy and I'm willing to pay for, I'll just cut you out of the equation.