Bomb in Norway?

[Ansel]

How can you give the death penalty out when people can be wrongly convicted. In this case we are as absolutely sure as you can be that it's him who carried out the atrocities but that can't always be said can it.

[EricHill78]

.... Or lend him to our prisons in syria , where they would take him on "magic carpet rides" and pull his nails for juicy gossip !

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

.... Or lend him to our prisons in syria , where they would take him on "magic carpet rides" and pull his nails for juicy gossip !

This guy is not a criminal and should be thrown in San Quentin.. One thing I love about American Justice is that a child murderer always gets whats coming to him and it's not a flat screen TV...

Child molester, women raper they all get theyr panishment in prison anyway , From The human low Lets say "unwreten" low, but what is confusing and dangaros Our politisians play demokrats in warld which is barbaric in à way

[gax1985]

.... LOL ! I didnt know the most famous syrian torture method was so popular in western music

[ABW]

Child molester, women raper they all get theyr panishment in prison anyway , From The human low Lets say "unwreten" low, but what is confusing and dangaros Our politisians play demokrats in warld which is barbaric in à way

Good.. I am glad to see its a "worldwide" standard...

[lxskllr]

The thing about political youth organizations, at least in Norway, is that they do NOT run any form of advertisment. People from the age of 13-25 are encouraged to get involved in politics. But they're not forced to become a member of any political party. As far as I know, Norwegian teens are more into politics than American teens, and this early exposure for politics in Norway, might explain why so many people vote over here, compared to elections in the US.

It would depend on the exact setup whether I endorse the camps, or not. Getting involved in politics is a good thing in general, and you're right about political involvement over here. It's pretty abysmal, myself included.

As far as punishment goes... Is 21 years really that light a sentence? What were you doing 21 years ago? How many Christmases passed? How many new friends were made? How many new things were seen? If I were considering a crime, I wouldn't think "Well, it's ONLY 21 years if I get caught". That's a shitload of time. Light(Compared to USA and DPRK) sentences seem to be the norm in Europe, and they seem to work pretty well. It's beats the corporate warehousing we have over here.

[TheJanitor]

As far as punishment goes... Is 21 years really that light a sentence?
How many Christmases passed?

Yeah it is, it's a hell of a lot lighter than the "sentence" all those kids got. How many Christmases will they miss? All of them.

[lxskllr]

Yeah it is, it's a hell of a lot lighter than the "sentence" all those kids got. How many Christmases will they miss? All of them.

And? What will any sentence do to bring them back. 1 year, 1,000 years, death penalty... It still doesn't rectify the original problem

[RobsanX]

Well Varg got the max, and now he's out. It sounds like he's up to his wiley ways again. I suppose that they are keeping an eye on him though...

[chossy]

It would depend on the exact setup whether I endorse the camps, or not. Getting involved in politics is a good thing in general, and you're right about political involvement over here. It's pretty abysmal, myself included.

As far as punishment goes... Is 21 years really that light a sentence? What were you doing 21 years ago? How many Christmases passed? How many new friends were made? How many new things were seen? If I were considering a crime, I wouldn't think "Well, it's ONLY 21 years if I get caught". That's a shitload of time. Light(Compared to USA and DPRK) sentences seem to be the norm in Europe, and they seem to work pretty well. It's beats the corporate warehousing we have over here.

21 years is a pretty long time, but for this guy, he will surely get the 30 year sentence or 21 years + indefinete holding due to still being a danger to society, my guess is, in one way or other he will never be set free, too much controversy for that.

Just like in Sweden we have one who killed a high ranking politicians son and his girlfriend 30 years ago, he got life sentence and has been denied a "parole" ever since. Even if he gets a timebased sentence eventually they are usually set 5-7 years from the current date, so if he gets timebased sentence today he wont be out till 2016-2018 anyway. Vey much political and public opinion involved in the process.

Quote from wikipedia about the current life policies:
"When granting a determinate sentence the court takes into account the crime, the prisoner's behaviour in prison, public safety and the chance of rehabilitation. However, some prisoners may never be released, being considered too dangerous. Of those who have been given set sentences under the new law, the sentences have ranged between 25 and 31 years."

So it has gotten harsher in Sweden which used to be pretty soft on that part.

[Joe234]

Defendant ‘insane,’ faces new charges

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/...ugher-charges/

July 26, 2011

UPDATED: Norwegian police are considering boosting charges against Anders Behring Breivik, who has admitted he bombed Norway’s government headquarters and gunned down scores of people at a Labour Party summer camp on Friday. Now he may be charged with crimes against humanity, while his defense attorney believes he’s insane.

Newspaper Aftenposten reported Tuesday that the charges of crimes against humanity are included in a new paragraph of Norway’s penal code that allows for a 30-year prison term, up from the 21-year term that has ranked as the country’s toughest punishment.

Lengthy custody looms
State prosecutor Christian Hatlo told reporters after Breivik’s custody hearing on Monday that the 32-year-old defendant expects to remain in some form of custody for the rest of his life. Hatlo said the defendant has remained calm both during questioning and at the custody hearing that was conducted behind closed doors.

“He had a strong need to clarify why he did what he did,” Hatlo said. “He was allowed to do so, but when he began to read from his so-called manifesto, and it started taking a lot of time, the judge interrupted him.”

Breivik is currently charged with committing terrorist acts, which, if Breivik is found guilty, would result in a maximum prison term of 21 years. Hatlo told Aftenposten that the police will evaluate the terrorist acts under the penal code provision adopted in 2008 that encompasses crimes against humanity, in this case, targeting a group because of its political foundation. That relatively new paragraph in the penal code carries a maximum prison term of 30 years.

Hatlo stressed that the tougher charges are only a possibility. It’s also possible that Breivik ultimately will be sentenced to forvaring (protective custody subject to continual re-evaluation that may keep him in confinement for the rest of his life) or be committed to a psychiatric institution.

Thought he’d be shot
Breivik’s defense lawyer, Geir Lippestad, told Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) that Breivik had told him he thought he’d be shot by police when he was captured after his massacre on the island where the Labour Party’s summer camp for its youth organization AUF was being held.

Lippestad also said Breivik has his own version of reality regarding Norway’s legal system and thought prisoners were tortured in Norwegian prisons. Lippestad declined to elaborate, but told reporters on Tuesday that he thinks his client is insane.

Lippestad already had said, just after agreeing to serve as Breivik’s defense counsel, that he thought Breivik’s mental state needed immediate evaluation. Lippestad said Breivik has repeatedly said he’s involved in a war and that the world doesn’t understand his viewpoints.

He confirmed that Breivik expects to be imprisoned and has remained calm since his arrest Friday evening. He’ll be examined by two individual court-appointed psychiatrists.

[Joe234]

How can you give the death penalty out when people can be wrongly convicted. In this case we are as absolutely sure as you can be that it's him who carried out the atrocities but that can't always be said can it.

The USA is the only modern industrial country that still uses the insane
death penalty, with the exception of China and such others as Iran.

We are the only one without a decent health care system too.
That along with our drug war with more people in prison per capita than
any country.

[sgreger1]

.... Or lend him to our prisons in syria , where they would take him on "magic carpet rides" and pull his nails for juicy gossip !

Clandestine desert gulags ftw!

[sgreger1]

This guy was expecting to be shot on sight, now he is going to have to sit in a cell (though a very comfy one) and deal with this for the rest of his life. Hopefully there are some pro-labour party inmates in the prisons who will take care of him


This whole thing is sick. I am generally pro-death penalty but whatever Norway is doing seems to work (exemplified by the fact that this kind of thing never happens normally), so I say keep doing whatever your doing Norway. The US needs to butt out and quit giving opinions, we arne't exactly standing in a position of strength on subjects such as "how to run a prison", or "how to stop terrorism". Someday history will write about the US prison system and depict them as what they are: gulags that imprisoned more people than the total population of some countries.


And Glenn Beck is a total dick as always, please ignore him, and please forgive us Norway. "Hmm, youth camps eh, you know who ELSE had youth camps!! HITLER!"

The funny thing is that Glenn Beck is hosting a youth camp this month that teaches his special brand of right wing lunacy, the irony is so thick you would need a steak knife to cut through it.




EDIT: RE: Youth Camps. I agree with LX, nothing wrong with getting the youth involved in politics but youth camps are just echo chambers and that just leads to a divided electorate because (like in the US) everyone just circlejerks with others who are of the same opinion/viewpoints as them and never get exposed to differing opinions or critical thinking. I have no knowledge of Norway's youth camps though so don't know if this is the case over there, but in the US these youth programs are just indoctrination camps if you ask me.