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  • Crow
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    US government loses triple-A credit rating

    S&P had warned government of action; US debt now rated lower than European countries'

    WASHINGTON — The United States lost its top-notch AAA credit rating from Standard & Poor's Friday, in a dramatic reversal of fortune for the world's largest economy.

    S&P cut the long-term U.S. credit rating by one notch to AA-plus on concerns about growing budget deficits.

    U.S. Treasuries, once undisputedly seen as the safest investment in the world, are now rated lower than bonds issued by countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany, France or Canada.

    The outlook on the new U.S. credit rating is negative, S&P said in a statement, a sign that another downgrade is possible in the next 12 to 18 months.

    U.S. government officials had been bracing for a downgrade.

    CNBC's John Harwood reported that S&P told the federal government at 1:30 p.m. ET Friday that it was preparing to downgrade the country's rating. But Harwood reported that after U.S. officials pointed out an error in how S&P computed the ratio of U.S. debt to the gross domestic product, S&P decided to reconsider.

    A source said S&P's calculations were off by "trillions," CNBC reported.

    The earlier reports said the main reasons likely to be cited for a U.S. downgrade by S&P included political confusion surrounding the process of hiking the debt limit and doubt that agreement would be reached on more deficit reductions.

    On July 14, S&P put the government on a credit watch with negative implications, meaning there was at least a one in two chance the U.S.’s long-term debt would be downgraded within 90 days.

    After Congress reached a deal this week on budget cuts valued at about $2.1 trillion over 10 years, the other two main rating agencies reaffirmed the nation's top credit rating status for now although said they would continue to evaluate the situation. S&P never issued a comment. still has not commented.

    Moody's assigned a negative outlook for U.S. sovereign debt, meaning it could still downgrade the securities, although probably not anytime soon. Moody's said there would be a risk of downgrade if there is "a weakening in fiscal discipline, a deterioration in the economic outlook or if Congress fails to adopt more deficit-reduction measures in 2013.

    Another major agency, Fitch, said it would complete its review of the nation's sovereign debt rating by the end of August and did not rule out a downgrade.

    Standard & Poor's had warned that the nation's credit rating would be subject to a downgrade without a credible deficit-reduction package worth $4 trillion over 10 years. The package agreed to by congressional negotiators falls well short of that mark.

    A downgrade could result in higher market interest rates and could force some fund managers to sell Treasury securities. But it is unclear what the result would be if only one of the major agencies issued a downgrade.

    The rating agencies have been under fire since the financial meltdown of 2008 because they often gave high ratings to bundles of mortgage-related securities that were risky and ultimately failed.
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  • Bigblue1
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    #2
    Just the first dominoe

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    • Joe234
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      #3
      Originally posted by Bigblue1
      Just the first dominoe
      Yep. The supply siders are driving us to ruin.

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      • internope
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        • Oct 2010
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        #4
        Way to go, Republicans!
        They couldn't bear to let the Bush tax cuts expire on the wealthiest 1%.
        You break it, you bought it.

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        • Joe234
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          • Apr 2010
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          #5
          Originally posted by internope
          Way to go, Republicans!
          They couldn't bear to let the Bush tax cuts expire on the wealthiest 1%.
          You break it, you bought it.
          Yea, check out what Jim Cramer says here.
          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/...39663#44039663




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          • Joe234
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            • Apr 2010
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            #6



            “We have lowered our long-term sovereign credit rating on the United States of America to ‘AA+’ from ‘AAA,’” S&P said in a statement.

            “The downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.”

            The ratings agency offered a blistering view of Washington partisanship, adding that “we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy.”

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            • Bigblue1
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              #7
              I'll repost this here.......

              So the debt rating being downgraded because of our debt, means nothing. It'd be one thing if we had money to spend and didn't have an insurmountable amount of debt as it is. But things being what they are, We will never be able to spend our way out of this. our GDP is grossly deficient to support the Idea of throwing more money at it. It's not our money and we our dealing with a global economy that has never even been thought of in history. Not to mention that when the laws that and treaties that were passed to get us here ( read Clinton Admin) We were told that Global trade would be good........ Not to mention the absolution of Glass-Steagall also Clinton. Then you have unnecessary wars started by GW and continued by Obama. What the Fudge do people still believe in this political system? see that Joe I called out the last 20 yrs of Presidents, didn't call one out more than another and chose no sides.... They all suck in other words. Oh and Jim Cramer can suck my asshole......

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              • internope
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                #8
                Straight from the S&P:
                Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade

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                • Bigblue1
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                  #9
                  so why don't we stop spending? You can only tax the populace so much. And wether you realize it or not, it win't matter how much you raise the taxes on the top 1% because under current tax laws there are more than enough tax dodges that they can do anyway. Wake up. it's the middle class that would be more beleaguered by tax increases than the top 1%. this is a game their playing to **** with those of us who make a living.

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                  • Joe234
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                    #10
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                    http://secondpagemedia.com/blog/2011...-amateur-hour/


                    S&P Downgrades U.S. Debt Rating, White House Slams Move as “Amateur Hour” » jad.blog


                    A tumultuous week for stock markets around the world has been capped off late this Friday evening with a surprise downgrade of U.S. debt by Standard & Poors, the most well-respected of the major world credit rating agencies. The downgrade is from AAA to AA+ with a negative outlook – basically saying there can be potential future downgrades as well. A AA+ rating is shared with Belgium and New Zealand as far as other countries are concerned. In a press release from tonight, S&P slammed the entire U.S. political process and the chronic worthless dithering that became known as the debt ceiling debate:

                    – The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government’s medium-term debt dynamics.

                    – More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

                    – Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government’s debt dynamics any time soon.

                    After months of Tea Party Republicans shouting as loudly as possible to the effect We don’t feel like paying our bills anymore!, the world has indeed taken notice – the effects of such political gamesmanship coming home to roost rather quickly. Just what are those effects, however?

                    The truth is, we won’t know until the markets open on Monday.

                    On the one hand the value of the U.S Dollar may tank as investors seek safe haven. The problem is, investing in the U.S. Dollar is typically where money goes in the first place to seek safe haven. It’s doubtful there will be a run to invest in the Euro (which is dealing with Italy teetering on the edge of financial collapse) or Japan (which is still dealing with massive setbacks after the earthquake this March). The Swiss Franc is seen as an even more stable investment than the U.S. Dollar but there is literally not that much Franc to go around as there is Dollar.

                    On the one hand U.S. Treasury Bonds could dive, which could create a spike in interest rates. Much like the dollar issue though, U.S. Treasury Bonds are also typically seen as a safe haven. The downgrade may trigger massive outflows of capital by banks who need to convert bonds into cash to meet margin requirements, but that might be met by investors stampeding back in to escape what could be a potential bloodbath in U.S. stocks and bonds of states and municipalities tied to the overall credit rating.

                    For its part, the Obama administration is fighting back saying that the downgrade was made based on a massive error in S&P’s calculations:

                    However, another government official said the White House had told S&P the company’s thinking was “based on flawed math and assumptions.” And S&P acknowledged “its numbers are wrong.”


                    An administration official told NBC News after the credit rating was lowered, “It’s amateur hour at S&P.”



                    The official said the administration showed S&P where its computation errors occurred.


                    Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.,, the ranking member on the House Financial Services Committee, said on MSNBC the decision was “just a political judgment by a group of incompetents.”


                    “This is the rating agency that took money from people who were selling junk bonds and told other people to buy it,” Frank said, accusing S&P of overvaluing private debt while consistently undervaluing public debt.”


                    They are as responsible for the financial crisis as anybody else.


                    “There is zero chance of (the United States) defaulting,” Frank said.

                    Even with the debt deal finished, finally, this weekend still looks to be a long economic-news filled weekend, yet again.

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                    • Bigblue1
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                      #11
                      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...l-o-wrestling/


                      Joe do you have no original thought? You wall paper this place with BS but I have never read an originally composed sentence by you..........

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                      • internope
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                        • Oct 2010
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                        #12
                        Despite their many shortcomings, it is safe to assume that the analysts at the S&P know a lot more about economics than Boner's Republican Tea Party in the House.

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                        • Mongrul
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                          #13
                          We were downgraded because the deal didn't really deal with the debt. Why? Obama, Reid, Pelosi cockblocked the bills and ideas that would have stopped this from happening! Remember, Republicans lost congress in 2006! From 2008 until the last election, The Republicans were shut out of all policy making and spending decisions! The dems went on a spending spree, feeding frenzy, the likes of which the world has never seen! Did it do us any good? No, of course not. This mess falls squarely on Obama, Reid, and Pelousy. Now, Repubs only have one house of congress, and can't pass a damn thing unless Reid goes along with it and Obama signs it...which he won't. So be honest about who is really tossing out the shit sandwiches.

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                          • Bigblue1
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mongrul
                            We were downgraded because the deal didn't really deal with the debt. Why? Obama, Reid, Pelosi cockblocked the bills and ideas that would have stopped this from happening! Remember, Republicans lost congress in 2006! From 2008 until the last election, The Republicans were shut out of all policy making and spending decisions! The dems went on a spending spree, feeding frenzy, the likes of which the world has never seen! Did it do us any good? No, of course not. This mess falls squarely on Obama, Reid, and Pelousy. Now, Repubs only have one house of congress, and can't pass a damn thing unless Reid goes along with it and Obama signs it...which he won't. So be honest about who is really tossing out the shit sandwiches.
                            Your just as wrong as Joe and interlope. Bush grew gubment spending at an exponential rate. Clinton was perceived to be a middle of the road guy, and Obama has just sustained it all, What does that all equal? Prolly that it is all the way they all want things to go...... It's all a joke and very coordinated...... it can't be coincidence...........

                            Quit blaming the other side and realize your side is the same as the other side.........

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                            • internope
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mongrul
                              We were downgraded because the deal didn't really deal with the debt. Why? Obama, Reid, Pelosi cockblocked the bills and ideas that would have stopped this from happening! Remember, Republicans lost congress in 2006! From 2008 until the last election, The Republicans were shut out of all policy making and spending decisions! The dems went on a spending spree, feeding frenzy, the likes of which the world has never seen! Did it do us any good? No, of course not. This mess falls squarely on Obama, Reid, and Pelousy. Now, Repubs only have one house of congress, and can't pass a damn thing unless Reid goes along with it and Obama signs it...which he won't. So be honest about who is really tossing out the shit sandwiches.
                              Maybe you missed this up thread. I will post again. The S&P issued the downgrade, and here is what they had to say:
                              We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.

                              It's right there in black-and-white.

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