Billionaire building Libertarian Utopia...

[Snusdog]

What I don't get is why they wouldn't just buy an already existing Island that meets their requirements, declare themselves a sovereign country, and then reclaim land from the sea much like the Romans did or the Dutch are currently doing. That would seem far less expensive.............. and in the end much safer and sustainable long term

And why do they need to be outside of the trade boundries...............unless they are planning on running some sort of export business from the island (anything imported will already have to pass through those trade restricted waters to reach them and thus imports are irrelevant to the argument)

Even if there are people already on the Island..................someone is going to have to mix the drinks at the bar and vacuum the non code restricted housing .................cause it ain't going to be the big rollers doing any of that.

Also who is going to shoo Lx and his floating garbage retreat away when he and his volley ball wash up on shore

[lxskllr]

What I don't get is why they wouldn't just buy an already existing Island that meets their requirements, declare themselves a sovereign country, and then reclaim land from the sea much like the Romans did or the Dutch are currently doing. That would seem far less expensive.............. and in the end much safer and sustainable long term

And why do they need to be outside of the trade boundries...............unless they are planning on running some sort of export business from the island (anything imported will already have to pass through those trade restricted waters to reach them and thus imports are irrelevant to the argument)

I think the owner of the island(big government of some sort) would take exception to a hostile takeover of their territory. Same goes for trade purposes. Outside of territorial waters, you can create your own rules. Otherwise your subject to the whims of whatever petty tyrant is in power of the land you're occupying.

[rickcharles606]

rogue waves, earthquakes and PIRATES!

/idea

[Snusdog]

Good points..................but I was thinking they would buy some deserted or sparsely populated Island from a government for the purpose of creating an independent state (verses a conventional real estate transaction). The government would get a pile of cash................and after the first hurricaine....................their island back.

Anyway..............I still don't see the point of the trade restrictions.............what would/could they produce on an oil rig to trade

Not only that................as long as their assets are held in conventional countries.............they are hostage to whatever restrictions the global community wishes to impose. Convert it to gold and keep it all on the Island.....................and the pirates will not be long in coming (seriously)

As long as they are hyper dependant on outside countries for almost all of their basic necessities.............they are hostages.

This really does not seem well conceived.....................either that or I am missing something

[lxskllr]

For trade? Tourism, data centers immune from censorship/seizure, banking... There wouldn't be much "produce" that could be traded, but there's a lot of room for services.

Pirates? Yea, right. No gun restrictions, and we wouldn't have any of those silly "humanitarian" concerns the US Navy has :^D

[GoVegan]

For trade? Tourism, data centers immune from censorship/seizure, banking... There wouldn't be much "produce" that could be traded, but there's a lot of room for services.

Pirates? Yea, right. No gun restrictions, and we wouldn't have any of those silly "humanitarian" concerns the US Navy has :^D

Just hope they don't find oil anywhere near your little island or we will have to come and liberate you!

[lxskllr]

Just hope they don't find oil anywhere near your little island or we will have to come and liberate you!

Touché :^D

[rickcharles606]

Just hope they don't find oil anywhere near your little island or we will have to come and liberate you!

yeah, like I said....PIRATES, lol

[angrylollipop]

Good points..................but I was thinking they would buy some deserted or sparsely populated Island from a government for the purpose of creating an independent state (verses a conventional real estate transaction). The government would get a pile of cash................and after the first hurricaine....................their island back.

Anyway..............I still don't see the point of the trade restrictions.............what would/could they produce on an oil rig to trade

Not only that................as long as their assets are held in conventional countries.............they are hostage to whatever restrictions the global community wishes to impose. Convert it to gold and keep it all on the Island.....................and the pirates will not be long in coming (seriously)

As long as they are hyper dependant on outside countries for almost all of their basic necessities.............they are hostages.

This really does not seem well conceived.....................either that or I am missing something

International money laundering would keep their banks flush with world currency. It would also be a hub for drug trafficking as libertarians don't support drug laws of any kind. Business Incorporating on the island would also reap massive benefits even if their physical assets are in other countries.

Many countries in the world allow foreigners to live in their borders, and maintain residences. Rich people can buy this quickly. Renouncing American citizenship would also mean their personal income payed from a company and held in bank on this island nation is no loner taxable. Property and sales tax would be unavoidable but with no other taxes it's nothing close to the 15-20% they pay now.

This idea would basically allow the super wealthy and elite to grow their vast fortunes without government regulation or control. This nation would be more than able to support a military for defensive purposes (as any real attack on another nation would be economic and financial in scope) Even contracting privately with militias and mercenaries throughout the world so that the strength of their "army" wouldn't need to be apparent and are all ready deployed all over the world.

It's unlikely many rich people would live on the island full-time. It's more likely there would be an impoverished population which would inhabit and maintain the island with a rotating cast of international elites coming and going in shifts to manage the things which can't be left to the poor.

It's a great idea if you're on the forbes top 100 list.

[Snusdog]

For trade? Tourism, data centers immune from censorship/seizure, banking... There wouldn't be much "produce" that could be traded, but there's a lot of room for services.

Pirates? Yea, right. No gun restrictions, and we wouldn't have any of those silly "humanitarian" concerns the US Navy has :^D

well as long as there are no lawyers...............or at least guns to shoot them with.....................it can't be all bad

And best of all no PACT

[GoVegan]

Is that a terrorist I mean freedom fighting rebel on that island?

[angrylollipop]

well as long as there are no lawyers...............or at least guns to shoot them with.....................it can't be all bad

And best of all no PACT

Shipping costs to the middle of the ocean? I wonder what someone in fiji pays for a package from sweden.

[Snusdog]

So the ideal libertarian society is basically an offshore casino and resort.............nice

In all seriousness.........here is the scary part of all this

Large corporations are no longer tied to the interest of a nation (as they were in the days of Henry Ford or Kraft). And yet they still formulate the laws of that nation. The result is a parasitic relationship that is more dangerous than any terrorist filled plain could ever be.

Think about it..........in one generation we went from the largest producer of goods to a welfare state on the brink of no return.

Why would any politician knowingly support policy that would ruin the economic infrastructures, destroy the tax base, and send his nations productivity overseas. The answer is that he was doing the bidding of corporations that no longer had the interest of our nation as a precondition for their own interest. Instead they used our nation to its ruin for their own "global" (i.e autonomous) concerns

And now the heads of these companies are going off to form their own nation to store the blood they have sucked out of our country and Europe while enslaving the average Chinese worker to conditions reminiscent of the plantations of the deep south

They all should be tried and hung for treason

lx this is not an escape from all that is wrong with our country.............it is the source

Rant ending...................................now

[angrylollipop]

+1...

[sgreger1]

Somewhere there was a trash island being made as an artistic concept, and to spotlight all the crap people dump in the ocean. That grabbed my attention at the time. There's no reason home has to be anchored to the sea floor. You could float around in international water picking up trash as you go to expand your territory. It might not be as fancy as Mr billionaire's idea, but I could live in a yurt on top of a bunch of floating plastic :^D

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