Is the dangerous of smoking overstated?

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  • heders
    Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 2227

    #1

    Is the dangerous of smoking overstated?

    There's a book called "In Defense of Smokers", by Lauren A. Colby, which debunks a lot of smoking danger myths.

    http://www.lcolby.com/

    What do you think about this? Is smoking really as bad as the anti-tobacco and world health organizations want us to believe?
  • chainsnuser
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 1388

    #2
    No, not really.

    The propaganda has gone overboard for sure. One cigarette will not instantly kill you or turn you into a hopeless addict. Also, second hand smoke is (as far as I know) not dangerous at all. There is no higher mortality rate for people who are exposed to second hand smoke. The amounts of smoke from second hand air polution are just too small.

    There also is no question for anyone who is able to read health statistics, that the dangers of smokeles tobacco are about as high as the dangers of coffee drinking, while the puritan anti-tobacco-workers (or anti-tobacco-psychos) continue to tell absolute nonsense in this regard.

    But 40 cigarettes a day or more (that's where most long time smokers end to feed their nicotine-demon) will give you a 50% chance to suffer from a long painful agony at the end of your (short) life. And even if you belong to the 50% of the lucky smokers who die in relative peace at an old age, you will at least have wrecked your body to a point where life for a long time no longer was fun. Smokers normally don't die at 80 years old of a heart attack, while doing a bicycle ride, they die from heart attack sitting on their couch, watching crappy TV-shows because they don't have the breath left to do anything else.

    Really, (cigarette) smoking is one of the worst ideas mankind ever had. It's fine or almost free of dangers as a once-in-a-month-habit, like the indian shamans celebrated it during their festivities. It's also fine if you're able to smoke just one weekend cigarette in the pub. But if one needs nicotine every day and in large amounts, smoking is the biggest nonsense one can do.

    Cheers!

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    • lxskllr
      Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 13435

      #3
      Originally posted by chainsnuser
      No, not really.

      Lots O'Stuff
      Yea, I think you're on the money. I'd even raise the quantity of cigarettes allowed higher than you give, but it still needs to be less than a full time smoker. I'd say no more than 1 cigarette per day, and preferably not every day for decent health.

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      • MJ26
        Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 333

        #4
        Nicotine is highly addictive compared to many other things which don't get you fysically addicted but it's not propably the most harmful ingredient in tobacco. I guess that years of lots of cigarette smoking is pretty dangerous but it is overstated too. There's lot of worse things out there.

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        • precious007
          Banned Users
          • Sep 2010
          • 5885

          #5
          It's better to stay away from smoking, and I can tell ya'
          that one cigarette a day can turn into 5 cigarettes a day
          and eventually into a pack a day and you won't even
          notice it.

          It's better to just NOT smoke altogether.

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          • Nuusku
            Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 993

            #6
            No think they are not overstated. Here in Finland many people die a year because of the secondary smoke of the cigarettes. And the most type of cancer is lung cancer that comes from smokeing. And when you think in common sense: Inhaling smoke isn't good for you. Seriously

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            • lxskllr
              Member
              • Sep 2007
              • 13435

              #7
              Originally posted by Nuusku
              No think they are not overstated. Here in Finland many people die a year because of the secondary smoke of the cigarettes.
              How is that determined?

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              • precious007
                Banned Users
                • Sep 2010
                • 5885

                #8
                Originally posted by lxskllr
                How is that determined?
                Maybe they're people that live with smokers in the same house,
                and eventually develop a heart/lung disease which proves that
                it's due from the second hand smoke :-?

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                • lxskllr
                  Member
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 13435

                  #9
                  Originally posted by precious007
                  Maybe they're people that live with smokers in the same house,
                  and eventually develop a heart/lung disease which proves that
                  it's due from the second hand smoke :-?
                  I'm not necessarily disputing that, but a lot of the links are made using very sketchy science. EVERYONE will get cancer eventually if they live long enough. The question is how much does smoking accelerate the process. How do you separate smoking from, let's say radon exposure. Mining centers will likely have more smokers these days since it's more a blue collar past time. Miners, by nature of their occupation will also live in areas much higher in radon. Which caused the disease? How about city workers. Was it the cigarettes, or the diesel exhaust?

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                  • Nuusku
                    Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 993

                    #10
                    Don't know how it is measured, i'm not the scientist I've red few articles about it and also heard it from school... 300 die a year, that's not so much but it too much still.
                    And everyone will not get cancer if you live old. The danger of getting cancer significantly increases after turning 40, But i know some people who have died of natural causes and had no tumors. One of them is my great grandmother. Lived over hundred years old..

                    Oh and if smokes have about. 50 chemicals what are 100% sure known to cause cancer, ofcourse it speeds up the process.

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                    • Reynard
                      Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 804

                      #11
                      The Nicotine Myth

                      I thought this video seemed relevant The Nicotine Myth

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                      • Mdisch
                        Member
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 805

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Vulpes
                        I thought this video seemed relevant The Nicotine Myth
                        I love this one!

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                        • EricHill78
                          Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 4253

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Vulpes
                          I thought this video seemed relevant The Nicotine Myth
                          I love that video, haven't seen in in a while. Only thing I don't like is in the beginning where it mentions snuff then says it carries health risk. It should show that snuff is just as safe as snus if not safer.

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                          • Reynard
                            Member
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 804

                            #14
                            Originally posted by EricHill78
                            I love that video, haven't seen in in a while. Only thing I don't like is in the beginning where it mentions snuff then says it carries health risk. It should show that snuff is just as safe as snus if not safer.
                            Yep, no person has ever contracted cancer or died from using nasal snuff NASALLY, whereas a person has had cancer from using snus as per the instructions. Correct me I'm wrong.

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                            • Frosted
                              Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 5798

                              #15
                              Cigarettes can be lethal - no doubt. We just don't know who they're lethal to.
                              Some people smoke all their lives and escape harm. Some people die of lung cancer at 30, 40 and 50 years of age. Some people get emphysemia. Some people don't. Some people get COPD, some people don't. Only a few will escape all of these things.

                              If you smoke, you're taking a gamble. You're taking a gamble in having a horrific death as opposed to a sitting in a chair dribbling from old age kinda death.

                              Take your pick - the choices are marvellous.

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