Child Molestation and Bestiality

[Duff338]

McMartin, anyone? Good on you Duff for helping these kids and it is truly a crime that there are any that need your help. I am also a parent and old enough to be a grandparent. However, I think you have immediately judged these people guilty and are fully prepared to throw them to the wolves based upon what could be a sloppy smear. This is why we have trials by jury.

They may be guilty, I have no idea. In reading and seeing the video I'm left with a few questions and a bit of skepticism. She's a professionnal 44 year old woman, he's a 42 year old night watchman at her job. They are not apparently married, just living together. Given the career situations I would guess they were not college sweethearts. Could there possibly be a very angry and jealous ex-partner wanting to make her life a living hell? Perhaps even an underling at work wanting her high-level job? The cops were tipped off by a "medical professional" which could be anything from a brain surgeon to a quack child psychologist. Would be nice to know what the deal is there.

For me there is just not enough here except to inflame so I will wait for the trial if it goes to that. I would not be surprised if they are found guilty but I also won't be surprised if her ex-husband (or lesbian ex-lover, if you prefer) set her up with a well coached 6 year old and some photoshopped images with Fido. If something like the latter turns out to be the case wouldn't you feel silly? You'd probably feel even sillier if they were put to your punishment and then exonerated.

I agree with you completely...I typed my response immediately after reading the post and this is one of the things that really upsets me. As harsh as it may sound, I think that Child abusers/sexual predators should be sent to prison for the rest of their wretched lives, because they don't "recover" or "change".

I do not know these people at all, will most likely never meet them, you are 100% percent correct, I judged them unfairly and without actual knowledge of their guilt/innocence and for that, I am wrong.
However I have seen criminals of the worst kind, be set free time after time, and innocent people condemned by the court. As far as trial by jury, that has zero to do with if someone is actually guilty. Money, police work and who you know/or don't have more to do with how our courts are run, then unfortunately the actual truth.

For those who do hurt children, I have absolutely zero concern or care for. I do not feel they are human. I love my child and the ones I have had the privilege to work with, they are precious, amazing and wonderful beings.

Whether these two are guilty or not, things like this happen, and that is where my angry/feelings about this comes from....and what my statement referred to....my angry was projected on these people when it is truly rooted in those that have and/or do hurt children.

[dpete]

...I typed my response immediately after reading the post and this is one of the things that really upsets me. As harsh as it may sound, I think that Child abusers/sexual predators should be sent to prison for the rest of their wretched lives, because they don't "recover" or "change".

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As far as trial by jury, that has zero to do with if someone is actually guilty. Money, police work and who you know/or don't have more to do with how our courts are run, then unfortunately the actual truth.

For those who do hurt children, I have absolutely zero concern or care for. I do not feel they are human. I love my child and the ones I have had the privilege to work with, they are precious, amazing and wonderful beings.

Whether these two are guilty or not, things like this happen, and that is where my angry/feelings about this comes from....and what my statement referred to....my angry was projected on these people when it is truly rooted in those that have and/or do hurt children.

No worries, could tell you were writing in anger and I'm not that far behind you in that department. This particular case hasn't risen to that level for me yet. Your points on trial by jury are true but it beats trial by media which seems to be what's going on here. Given the choice I would prefer a jury of my peers instead of Mr. Murdoch. I've sat on a jury before so I've seen it up close. Your points on child abuse are a large part of the reason I have been anti-war in my adult life. War is child abuse on steroids but pays well for some people.

[Duff338]

No worries, could tell you were writing in anger and I'm not that far behind you in that department. This particular case hasn't risen to that level for me yet. Your points on trial by jury are true but it beats trial by media which seems to be what's going on here. Given the choice I would prefer a jury of my peers instead of Mr. Murdoch. I've sat on a jury before so I've seen it up close. Your points on child abuse are a large part of the reason I have been anti-war in my adult life. War is child abuse on steroids but pays well for some people.

"Your points on trial by jury are true but it beats trial by media which seems to be what's going on here."
Agreed...You make an excellent point.

Given the choice I would prefer a jury of my peers instead of Mr. Murdoch.
Agreed X 100


I have to admit, life is a funny thing...the person pulling all the strings knows what they are doing in my life today. What you said really made me think....I am(or am at times) a hot-blooded, quick tempered Irish-American New Yorker...but with age I have changed and mellowed quite a bit, it still comes out....as displayed in my original statement....anyway, the point is that I am old enough and man enough to admit when I am wrong, and further then that, learn a lesson from it....anger/love/pain can blind the most intelligent and serene individuals(which I am far from being either).....I sincerely thank you for showing me that when I am angry and/or acting off of pure emotion, it will most likely result in a something I would think better of with a cool head to prevail....We all repeat the same mistakes until we allow ourselves to learn the lesson that is intended in them.

Thank You Dpete.


And who would have thought we would have had this dialogue when we joined a Snus forum....Life is full of surprises