Stocks, Investments, Blood Pressure, Blue Barrels, and You

[sgreger1]

well...........about 30 years ago I invested $400 into a breeding pair of African Grey Congos. They had 3 babies 8 weeks later. I sold each baby for $800. Then they did it again before the year was up. Been investing in birds right up till I was diagnosed and the Doc said to get my affairs in order. The last 2 years I've been selling out all my breeder birds. Got way more for them that I paid originally. Plus they had produced and I made alot on the babies. Actually I had at most 35 pair just of the Greys. I produced 996 babies @ aprox $1100 each over the 30 years. Thats just the cheaper birds I've raised. I'm currently looking for a place to put 25K from the sale of just 2 of the rarer birds that I recently sold. Although breeding the birds has been some work I did make an additional 2 million total that I normally wouldn't have if I didn't put in the extra effort. I was building a bird business for something to do when I retire. Little did I know my health would prevent me from doing any kind of work in my retirement and the few years I'm told I have left. I still have a few pair of these rarer birds left and I'm going to try and keep them as long as I can. Babies are like 12K each. So my investment is still paying off. Anyway, I'm thinking GoldCorp stocks for proceeds of this most recent bird sale. Seems pretty safe.

in a nutshell.....think of starting some sort of side business that will be your own. Someday you can retire to doing just that. I retired from my regular job at 48 and just bred the birds.

or


move out of that crazy state to where you can afford to buy a house. My county has the second highest real estate tax in the country...I'm out of here asap.


ok I'm done. I'm off to collect my gob'ment cheeze so we can eat tonight

Wait what is it that you were diagnosed with? I wasn't aware you were in ill health? You gonna be okay man?

[Premium Parrots]

Sami has some sound advice also. I'm begining to think that the only way to really make any money in the stock market is by short term day trading. But thats a lot of work.....everyday. After learning more about your situation I would really suggest GoldCorp stock. Look into it for yourself.

As for my health....there are several problems but I suppose the worst problem I have is Congestive Heart Failure and Cartiomyopathy. My heart is pumping at below 50%. In short....I wore it out and some of it died. I'm just waiting for my heart attack.

[sgreger1]

Sami has some sound advice also. I'm begining to think that the only way to really make any money in the stock market is by short term day trading. But thats a lot of work.....everyday. After learning more about your situation I would really suggest GoldCorp stock. Look into it for yourself.

As for my health....there are several problems but I suppose the worst problem I have is Congestive Heart Failure and Cartiomyopathy. My heart is pumping at below 50%. In short....I wore it out and some of it died. I'm just waiting for my heart attack.

Holy shit that is terrible! My aunt has that too but she's been kicking for years. Can they replace the valve or doa nythign to remove blockage etc? I'm so sorry to hear that PP

[internope]

I see that HXL was one of Jim Cramer's picks back on 10/6.

If you have a fat emergency cash fund sitting in the bank, no debt, and are already maxing out pre-tax 401k and/or IRA plans, go for it!

If not, and there is some kind of employee stock plan available, go slow and buy a few shares every pay period. If the company does well you'll build over time, and if the company goes tits up you won't be losing sleep worrying about your losing 20K investment and your wife's source of income all at once.

[Premium Parrots]

Holy shit that is terrible! My aunt has that too but she's been kicking for years. Can they replace the valve or doa nythign to remove blockage etc? I'm so sorry to hear that PP

according to the doc there isn't anything that can be done except take my meds, diet and such. Hey we all gotta die from something, I'm just glad I don't have cancer.....yet.

This really is not so bad but the doctor sent me home to get my affairs in order. He said I had a few years left if I take care of myself. If I behave myself I feel ok but I'm tired all the time because my heart has to work twice as hard. It could be worse. Whalen has some heart problems also but it seems like it affects his daily life more than mine. Of course this problem is a little different than mine.
my arteries are clear and my cholestoral is perfect....I just wore my heart out. I'm thinking mostly from hyper-tension. Keep an eye on you blood pressure and if you have it be sure to take your meds. They don't call high blood pressure the silent killer for no reason. If its high, get meds and take them. I was already on the meds but my BP creeped up over about one years time and I didn't notice it. Now I have to live [or die, as it were] with this.

GoldCorp.

[sgreger1]

according to the doc there isn't anything that can be done except take my meds, diet and such. Hey we all gotta die from something, I'm just glad I don't have cancer.....yet.

This really is not so bad but the doctor sent me home to get my affairs in order. He said I had a few years left if I take care of myself. If I behave myself I feel ok but I'm tired all the time because my heart has to work twice as hard. It could be worse. Whalen has some heart problems also but it seems like it affects his daily life more than mine. Of course this problem is a little different than mine.
my arteries are clear and my cholestoral is perfect....I just wore my heart out. I'm thinking mostly from hyper-tension. Keep an eye on you blood pressure and if you have it be sure to take your meds. They don't call high blood pressure the silent killer for no reason. If its high, get meds and take them. I was already on the meds but my BP creeped up over about one years time and I didn't notice it. Now I have to live [or die, as it were] with this.

GoldCorp.

Wow from high blood pressure eh? How old are you, and were there any warning signs or did it just hit you? What even causes high blood pressure, too much salt/stress etc? Can exercise help regulate blood pressure?

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Wow from high blood pressure eh? How old are you, and were there any warning signs or did it just hit you? What even causes high blood pressure, too much salt/stress etc? Can exercise help regulate blood pressure?

this is your investment thread mate.....didn't mean to take it off topic.

I'm in my early sixties but I feel like I'm in my early 90s. seriously. No real warning signs otherwise I would have kept a closer eye on my BP. Stress is the biggest contributor....salt doesn't help. Everyone should be on a low salt diet anyway. Exercise will help. But I have other physical problems that prohibit me for doing much excersize. Even tho, the doc wants me to walk. Thats hard enough for me to do. Just to give you an idea.....I have to remain horizontal as much of the time as I can. I spend about 75% of my awake time on my back [I shoulda been a prostitute]. Even sitting can be painfull. Therefore, my laptop is normally on my stomach while I am laying down.

Just be sure to check your BP at least one a week. If it creeps up to a daily average of say 140/90 its time to get some meds. At this point my doc wants me to stay around 100/70. One of the reasons my high BP wasn't noticed is because my BP is always low enough when checked at the Dr. office and at walmart. So it was misleading. When I go home, where its should be realitavely normal, my BP would go up. Thats probably due to the fact that I had 3 businesses that were all run out of my home. I just couldn't get away from my work or the stress involved. A man of your age really needs to keep an eye on your BP and if it goes up you need to do something about it right away. Wait till Whalen finds this thread. He will give you hell also. He already had his full blown heart attack and he knows the scoup. I only had an "episode" because I was only 90 seconds from the paramedics and they know exactly where I live. Helps taking a big box of cookies to the fire dept every xmas.... for the last 34 years.

well that and I know the fire chief and some of the other firemen and paramedics from being in this small town for so long. There are other reasons why I know them so well but I'm not at liberty to speak of such "things" on a forum like this. Oh hell who cares....so we all used to do lines on the bar at the village tavern after they closed for the evening back in the 80s. there....I said it.

[sgreger1]

this is your investment thread mate.....didn't mean to take it off topic.

I'm in my early sixties but I feel like I'm in my early 90s. seriously. No real warning signs otherwise I would have kept a closer eye on my BP. Stress is the biggest contributor....salt doesn't help. Everyone should be on a low salt diet anyway. Exercise will help. But I have other physical problems that prohibit me for doing much excersize. Even tho, the doc wants me to walk. Thats hard enough for me to do. Just to give you an idea.....I have to remain horizontal as much of the time as I can. I spend about 75% of my awake time on my back [I shoulda been a prostitute]. Even sitting can be painfull. Therefore, my laptop is normally on my stomach while I am laying down.

Just be sure to check your BP at least one a week. If it creeps up to a daily average of say 140/90 its time to get some meds. At this point my doc wants me to stay around 100/70. One of the reasons my high BP wasn't noticed is because my BP is always low enough when checked at the Dr. office and at walmart. So it was misleading. When I go home, where its should be realitavely normal, my BP would go up. Thats probably due to the fact that I had 3 businesses that were all run out of my home. I just couldn't get away from my work or the stress involved. A man of your age really needs to keep an eye on your BP and if it goes up you need to do something about it right away. Wait till Whalen finds this thread. He will give you hell also. He already had his full blown heart attack and he knows the scoup. I only had an "episode" because I was only 90 seconds from the paramedics and they know exactly where I live. Helps taking a big box of cookies to the fire dept every xmas.... for the last 34 years.

well that and I know the fire chief and some of the other firemen and paramedics from being in this small town for so long. There are other reasons why I know them so well but I'm not at liberty to speak of such "things" on a forum like this. Oh hell who cares....so we all used to do lines on the bar at the village tavern after they closed for the evening back in the 80s. there....I said it.

The irony of this threat is thick: I just went to the Dr yesterday and my blood pressure was over 151. My Dr was like "lol, that's a problem". Apparently when I came in during July it was at 145, but the Dr didn't say anything, and now it's 151 so she's kinda worried. 130 is the usualy upper limit for a healthy BP at my age.

Why would my BP be so high? I don't have any real stress, I should be eating better and exercising more but damn that's high for a 25 year old. So what am I supposed to do to lower it? Change my diet? Exercise? Meds? The doc said it wasn't even about food or exercise, that such a high number needed medication but I am 100% against meds unless absolutely necessary. This sucks. Can someone link me to this Whalen thread I seem to have missed? What was it called?

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well that sucks big time. I don't think Whalen has a specific thread....I just know he has mentioned his heart problems in the past.
It used to be that the ideal BP would be 120/80 but recent studies indicate that 110/80 or less would be better. My doc wants me closer to 100/70.
Doctors assume that your BP level will be a little higher when you are in their office so thats why she wasn't too concerned. But she should have been concerned with the 145. At 151 she should have chewed your ass out. Face it man you need BP meds and don't hesitate to get them. They are cheap and necessary. Its so important that if you run out of your prescription and don't have the money to buy it just about ANY pharmacist will simply give you some meds till you get the money.

Quick story.....a few years back my doctor said I needed surgery. I found out that there was an alternative lazer procedure that was less invasive. I went to that other doctor to find out about it. So I'm there for my appointment and this old black nurse takes me into the exam room and checks my BP. It was in the 150 range. She takes the cufff off and proceeds to ream me out for not keeping a closer eye on it and dealing with it. She pretty much demanded that I go to my regular doctor right away to get this checked into. Man she was yelling at me. So I went right away and my doctor put me on the meds right away. I thank God for that old woman for without her pitching a fit I probably would have blown it off. Because of her I was able to start dealing with my heart problems in a timely manner.....before I had a heart attack or stroke....not after. Apparently high BP is a big problem for black people so she was more aware of how serious the problem is than some other people might be.

Get a BP machine and check it daily for a few days, call your doctor and tell her the numbers. If they aren't consistantly below 135 and your doctor doesn't prescribe meds I would find another doctor. Its the "silent killer" dude. And its so true. Please don't hesitate to deal with this issue.....do it for your family if not for yourself.

end of rant.


just do it.

[sgreger1]

well that sucks big time. I don't think Whalen has a specific thread....I just know he has mentioned his heart problems in the past.
It used to be that the ideal BP would be 120/80 but recent studies indicate that 110/80 or less would be better. My doc wants me closer to 100/70.
Doctors assume that your BP level will be a little higher when you are in their office so thats why she wasn't too concerned. But she should have been concerned with the 145. At 151 she should have chewed your ass out. Face it man you need BP meds and don't hesitate to get them. They are cheap and necessary. Its so important that if you run out of your prescription and don't have the money to buy it just about ANY pharmacist will simply give you some meds till you get the money.

Quick story.....a few years back my doctor said I needed surgery. I found out that there was an alternative lazer procedure that was less invasive. I went to that other doctor to find out about it. So I'm there for my appointment and this old black nurse takes me into the exam room and checks my BP. It was in the 150 range. She takes the cufff off and proceeds to ream me out for not keeping a closer eye on it and dealing with it. She pretty much demanded that I go to my regular doctor right away to get this checked into. Man she was yelling at me. So I went right away and my doctor put me on the meds right away. I thank God for that old woman for without her pitching a fit I probably would have blown it off. Because of her I was able to start dealing with my heart problems in a timely manner.....before I had a heart attack or stroke....not after. Apparently high BP is a big problem for black people so she was more aware of how serious the problem is than some other people might be.

Get a BP machine and check it daily for a few days, call your doctor and tell her the numbers. If they aren't consistantly below 135 and your doctor doesn't prescribe meds I would find another doctor. Its the "silent killer" dude. And its so true. Please don't hesitate to deal with this issue.....do it for your family if not for yourself.

end of rant.


just do it.

SO here's a trip right, we had our health and welfare thing at work today where they essentially give you a yearly physical. All of my numbers were great (cholesterol, HDL, Triglycerides, LDL etc) but my BP was down to 135. Still above the prefered range which is (according to their sheet) 120. With 151 I have stage 1 hypertension which is baad news, but I was surprised to see that it went from 151 to 135 essentially over night. Do you have any idea wha twould account for such a dramatic change in such a short time period? The 151 was taken at 4:45pm and the 135 was taken first thing in the morning after a 6 hour fast, so maybe that had to do with it.


I am going to go buy some BP monitoring equipment and see what it all averages out to over the course of a week. if it stays high I am goign to go see the doctor (though I hate my doctor). I am also going to try and reduce the amount of salt in my diet significantly as that is likely what is the main contributor.

I also weighed 190 at the Dr's office last night but this morning I only weighed 175. I doubt I lost 20 lbs in one night lol. Not sure if my pressure was just up since I was at the doctors or what but 151 is insanely high, especially for 25. I am going to have to go see my doctor about it and see what he thinks. Do the blood pressure meds have any terrible side effects (i'm sure the side effects are stroke, heart attack etc lol), and does it prevent you from taking anything else?


What's odd is that I was on medical MJ for a few months and that lowers your blood pressure dramatically, but oddly I felt the worst during those months. Not sure if having a high or low BP actually makes you feel any different though, maybe it was all in my head.


Edit: For those interested, the MD said the main factor in my high BP was using snus. Not sure if that's just propaganda or what but she thinks the tobacco is a big factor in it. Take that for what it's worth. I kind of want to quit but then again I don't. I'll try cutting the salt and then see what happens.



Edit 2: Also, why is it that my BP was at 102 just a few months ago, and then shot up so quickl, like in the period of 1 month, and has grown steadily since then? What causes such a dramatic increase so quickly? I don't think much changed in my diet or exercise habits during that period.


Edit 3: Last edit I promise. If I am able to decrease my blood pressure by using the meds, can I get off them once it is stabilized? Or am I going to forever be dependent on drugs that will exlcude me from applying to certain types of jobs or getting health insurance etc?

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SO here's a trip right, we had our health and welfare thing at work today where they essentially give you a yearly physical. All of my numbers were great (cholesterol, HDL, Triglycerides, LDL etc) but my BP was down to 135. Still above the prefered range which is (according to their sheet) 120. With 151 I have stage 1 hypertension which is baad news, but I was surprised to see that it went from 151 to 135 essentially over night. Do you have any idea wha twould account for such a dramatic change in such a short time period? The 151 was taken at 4:45pm and the 135 was taken first thing in the morning after a 6 hour fast, so maybe that had to do with it.


I am going to go buy some BP monitoring equipment and see what it all averages out to over the course of a week. if it stays high I am goign to go see the doctor (though I hate my doctor). I am also going to try and reduce the amount of salt in my diet significantly as that is likely what is the main contributor.

I also weighed 190 at the Dr's office last night but this morning I only weighed 175. I doubt I lost 20 lbs in one night lol. Not sure if my pressure was just up since I was at the doctors or what but 151 is insanely high, especially for 25. I am going to have to go see my doctor about it and see what he thinks. Do the blood pressure meds have any terrible side effects (i'm sure the side effects are stroke, heart attack etc lol), and does it prevent you from taking anything else?


What's odd is that I was on medical MJ for a few months and that lowers your blood pressure dramatically, but oddly I felt the worst during those months. Not sure if having a high or low BP actually makes you feel any different though, maybe it was all in my head.


Edit: For those interested, the MD said the main factor in my high BP was using snus. Not sure if that's just propaganda or what but she thinks the tobacco is a big factor in it. Take that for what it's worth. I kind of want to quit but then again I don't. I'll try cutting the salt and then see what happens.



Edit 2: Also, why is it that my BP was at 102 just a few months ago, and then shot up so quickl, like in the period of 1 month, and has grown steadily since then? What causes such a dramatic increase so quickly? I don't think much changed in my diet or exercise habits during that period.


Edit 3: Last edit I promise. If I am able to decrease my blood pressure by using the meds, can I get off them once it is stabilized? Or am I going to forever be dependent on drugs that will exlcude me from applying to certain types of jobs or getting health insurance etc?

Well.....I'm not a doctor so let me first say that any of the info I give is from my personal experiance or knowledge. I'm hopeing that maybe a member with some real medical experiance will chime in.

Recent studies indicate that a BP of 110/70 is better for you than the old standard of 120/80. A lot of doctors are still indicating the old info. I firmly believe the new info in this regard. 135/80 is a tad high especially if you are testing when you are not at all stressed. If thats the case tho, when you do get stressed it can get up to 150 in a heartbeat [pun intended] so thats why 135 needs to be dealt with. Coughing, speaking or moving can affect the accuracy of the BP test. You are suppose to remain silent and still while checking your BP.

there can be side effects to the meds. Erectile dysfunction is the only one I know about. But I've never had a problem and I've been on several different BP meds. If you have a problem just let the doc know and he will change meds. You are too young to have to deal with that problem. There are many BP meds to choose from. It may take a month or so to find what works best for you. Generally once you start you will be on them for the rest of your life. No big deal...better than dieing before your time.

I don't think many people actually even notice that they have high BP. Once you get on the meds you will notice if you forget to take em tho. Again...hence the silent killer thing. I know if I forget to take my meds.

The onlly problem with snus is the salt content...period....As far as I know. I didn't tell my doctor about my snus use otherwise it might be leaked to my insurance co. and my rates will go up. I did a lot of research on this. I couldn't find any definate evidence of snus being a problem except the salt issue. Cut out all the salt you can, never add salt to you meal, have your wife eliminate the salt in cooking, stay away from processed foods, drive-ins, and such. Look at labels when buying food and always buy low sodium whenever you can. I feel that if I do all that then the 5 to 7 portions I use a day can't be all that bad. And if it is then **** it. I'm going to snus anyway.....I have o have some enjoyment in life.

You BP gradually had risen for a reason. Could just be heridity or the state of the world today, too much sodium in your diet, family or job concerns, etc. Could be about anything. I'm supposed to remain stress free so much so that I'm not even supposed to look at a household bill. But I do look about once a year anyway.....so the wife pays them. She not only writes out the checks but it comes out of her account. So I don't even have to think about it. She pays the regular bills and I pay the odd ones which are usually more $. It works out well for us.

I think that answers about all the questions that you mentioned so far. The very best thing you have recently done for your family and yourself is post these questions so you can learn and be aware. Hopefully others will see this and I hope it will help them. Seems like people hear about high BP and it doesn't mean anything thing to them. They just blow it off. then one day they wake up not feeling well, have a few synthoms, and by mid morning or early afternoon they get rushed to the hospital. Many people have their heart attack or stroke in the bathroom on the crapper. Yes.....pushing a whopper out of your ass can be enough stress to induce a heart attack or stroke.

Don't stop looking into this. Learn and live.

Sorry I'm such an ass about this subject but I know I probably lost 20 years because my BP crept up on me and I didn't even notice. Sucks big time. About 2 years ago my doctor gave me only 10 years to live. Thats IF I do everything I'm supposed to. Of course he can't predict everything but he IS a cardiac specialist. He can't be too inaccurate. I will say that he literally yelled at me to make sure I follow the new rules. Apparently many men don't like to listen to their doctors. IMO taking the meds is the easy part. The diet is a lot tougher to follow for me. I'm on diets for high BP, Diabetes, high uric acid [gout] and proventiculitis. I can't wait to see what comes next. As it is these different diets conflict and it makes it hard to actually know what is ok for me to eat. sucks big time.

Will someone with more medical experiance please post to either agree that I am giving accurate info or not. And add to this info if needed. And sgreger if this thread gets more into BP than the original topic do I have your permission to change the title of the thread a bit to reflect that there is BP info here so others can learn?

[EricHill78]

Change the thread title to Stocks, Blood Pressure, Blue Barrels, and You.

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Change the thread title to Stocks, Blood Pressure, Blue Barrels, and You.

lmao. asshole

[snusgetter]

Found some pertinent info from Dr Parrots you might find interesting from the thread
"Keep an eye on your blood pressure"

This chart is accurate however recent research has convinced doctors that a lower blood pressure is healthier. So your goal should be for Normal Low Blood Pressure numbers. Actually 100/70 would be perfect.

High Blood Pressure Range

Systolic pressure (mm Hg) Diastolic pressure (mm Hg) Stages of High Blood Pressure
210 120 Stage 4
180 110 Stage 3
160 100 Stage 2
140 90 Stage 1


Normal Blood Pressure Range

Systolic pressure (mm Hg) Diastolic pressure (mm Hg) Pressure Range
130 85 High Normal Blood Pressure
120 80 Normal Blood Pressure
110 75 Low Normal Blood Pressure [currently what it should be]


Low Blood Pressure Range

Systolic pressure (mm Hg) Diastolic pressure (mm Hg) Pressure Range
90 60 Borderline Low blood Pressure
60 40 Too Low Blood Pressure
50 33 Dangerously Low Blood Pressure

I think this may make it easier to understand... keep in mind that most published numbers [including these] are alittle higher that what current research states that is healthiest.

more info....
With blood pressure readings, only one of the numbers has to be higher or lower than it should be to count as either high blood pressure or low blood pressure:

90 over 60 (90/60) or less: You may have low blood pressure.

More than 90 over 60 (90/60) and less than 120 over 80 (120/80): Your blood pressure reading is ideal and healthy.

More than 120 over 80 and less than 140 over 90 (120/80-140/90): Your blood pressure is alittle higher than it should be, and you should try to lower it.

140 over 90 (140/90) or higher (over a number of weeks): You may have high blood pressure (hypertension).
So:

if your top number is 140 or more - then you may have high blood pressure, regardless of what your bottom number is.
if your bottom number is 90 or more - then you may have high blood pressure, regardless what your top number is.
if your top number is 90 or less - then you may have low blood pressure, regardless of what your bottom number is.
if your bottom number is 60 or less - then you may have low blood pressure, regardless of what your top number is.

@sgreger1: There are more than 40 posts in the thread that might shed some light on cardio issues for you.


@EricHill78: Spot on with your title for this thread!!

[sgreger1]

Thanks PP!


I went and bought a BP monitor yesterday and have switched to a low sodium diet effective last night at dinner. I tested my B{ 3 times and it ranged anywhere from 129-140 (seems they are not super accurate, even though I got the arm cuff one and not the wrist one). I will do it three times a day and keep a log of it for a few weeks, then i'll average it out to see what my real number is.

The low salt diet will be hard but I went shopping yesterday and I think I can manage. My mother who is undergoing radiation therapy for her thyroid cancer has to be on a low salt diet too so she has a lot of tips on how to make it work.

I'm also going to try and lose 10 pounds in the next few months. I'm adding some exercise at least 4 times a week into the mix of things. I need to get back into my army days and start waking up early to run. Back then my BP was so damn low from being in shape that I would never have thought in a million years that BP would ever be an issue, but when i got back I just drank a lot and lived a pretty sedentary lifestyle for a few years lol.


Also the drinking is reduced to no more than 2 glasses of wine 3 times a week, and I stay exceptionally hydrated by drinking a glass of water with each glass of wine.

Hopefully after 4 weeks I can see some improvement in my BP, my goal is to get it down to 100 and maintain it there. I think the reason I have high BP is because I eat so much salt. I eat a grilled cheese or a pizza before bed every night at midnight, I eat 4,000 grams of salt a day at least, constantly eat hamburgers and put sauce on everything. I think if I just change my diet it will resolve most of this without the need for medication, as I have a serious problem with taking pills and would rather give up every creature comfort I have before taking them. If I can keep my BP down through these methods over the coming weeks than I will hopefully be able to avoid being on meds.

Also, are there any "best" times of the day to take your BP? I'm thinking one in the morning before work and one after work and then one right before bed. Between those 3 I should be able to get a good average I think.

And yes you can ammend the title, preferably to the one Eric Hill recommended lol.