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  • Crow
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    • Oct 2010
    • 4312

    European Union split over treaty to save Euro

    BRUSSELS — Leaders of 23 European countries agreed in all-night talks Friday to surrender some sovereignty in a desperate attempt to save the continent's shared currency — but failed to get the four other European Union members to join in the proposed new treaty.

    The split between those in the treaty and those outside rattles the foundations of the union, which was created to foster peace and prosperity across a bloodied Europe after World War II. The EU has struggled to unite to stem a 2-year-old spiral of debt that started in Greece, has plunged the eurozone into crisis, and now threatens to send the global economy back into recession.

    Even after Friday's long-awaited deal, watched by governments and markets worldwide, European leaders have huge hurdles still ahead. They are meeting again later Friday to work out what exactly their new treaty will contain and how violators of its strict budget rules will be policed. They want it written by March.

    Asian stocks — already trading when the Europeans announced their 11th-hour deal — tumbled Friday as investors grew increasingly pessimistic that European leaders would conclude this week's crucial summit without finding a solution radical enough to fix the debt crisis.

    Britain, which doesn't use the euro, led the push against a treaty tying all 27 EU countries to tighter fiscal union, arguing that it would threaten sovereignty and London's esteemed financial services industry. Germany and France, the eurozone's biggest economies, had pushed for a 27-nation accord.
    U.K. prime minister blamed

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy laid the blame at the feet of British Prime Minister David Cameron.

    "David Cameron made a proposal that seemed to us unacceptable, a protocol to the treaty that would have exonerated the United Kingdom from a great number of financial service regulations," Sarkozy said shortly before dawn, after what he called a "difficult" dinner meeting had dragged through the night.

    "We couldn't accept this. We consider to the contrary that part of the troubles of the world come from the lack of regulation of financial services," Sarkozy said. "If you want an opt-out clause to not be in the euro and ask to participate in all decisions of the euro ... and even criticize it, this is not possible.

    Cameron defended his stance.

    "What was on offer is not in Britain's interest so I didn't agree to it," he told reporters in Brussels.

    "We're not in the euro and I'm glad we're not in the euro," he said. "We're never going to join the euro and we're never going to give up this kind of sovereignty that these countries are having to give up."

    The French president said work was proceeding on an "intergovernmental accord" among the 17 countries that use the euro plus as many as six others, not counting Britain, Hungary, and so-far undecided Czech Republic and Sweden.

    Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt signaled after the meeting it was unlikely his country would join the accord.

    "It would be very odd signing up to a treaty pointing out as if we were a eurozone country," he told The Associated Press. "And that was never the aim."
    Intervention into national budgets

    The governments signing onto the new treaty will have to agree to allow unprecedented intervention in national budgets by EU-wide bodies.

    According to a statement issued after the meeting broke up, governments participating in the agreement will need to have balanced budgets — which is counted as a structural deficit no greater than 0.5 percent of gross domestic product — and will have to amend their constitutions to include such a requirement.

    The treaty will include an unspecified "automatic correction mechanism" for countries that break the rules, the statement said.

    In addition, countries that run deficits larger than 3 percent will face sanctions.

    To prevent such deficits, countries will have to submit their national budgets to the European Commission, which will have the authority to request that they be revised. Countries will also have to report in advance how much they plan to borrow.

    But Cameron threatened to complicate the new 23-member treaty.

    "The institutions of the European Union belong to the European Union, belong to the 27" member states, he said. The new treaty would rely on the European Commission and the European Court of Justice to enforce its rules.

    "One step forward, two steps back," Alan Clarke, U.K. and eurozone economist at Scotia Capital, said before the first day of summit talks concluded. "The eurozone leaders might as well not bother. Pack their bags, go home, enjoy the weekend and do their Christmas shopping."

    Despite the challenges ahead, European Central Bank chief Mario Draghi said it was a good result for the eurozone, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel praised it.

    "I have always said the 17 states of the eurogroup have to regain credibility," she said. "And I believe with today's decisions this can and will be achieved."
    Marathon negotiating session

    The summit meeting in Brussels was viewed as a critical step in the effort to save the euro. The currency is losing the trust of the international financial markets, who fear that some debt-laden euro countries may ultimately be unable to pay their debts.

    That doubt means that the governments of countries viewed as in a precarious state must pay higher interest to borrow the money they need to carry on — and that, in turn, makes their budget deficits even worse and can be unsustainable in the long run.

    EU officials believe that one way of regaining market trust is to beef up the financial governance overseeing the eurozone countries and their budgets. Any intergovernmental treaty will be an effort to ensure that national budgets are brought into balance and large debts are not run up again.

    And the officials believe another way to regain the trust of investors is to have enough money on hand to guarantee that eurozone countries won't default on their debts.

    Toward that end, Herman Van Rompuy, president of the European Council, said the eurozone, together with some other EU countries, would provide up to €200 billion ($268 billion) in extra resources to the International Monetary Fund, to be used to help countries in dire straits. Non-euro countries Sweden and Denmark already said they would contribute some extra money.

    Sarkozy also said the EU's two bailout funds, meant to rescue countries having trouble refinancing their debts — the European Stability Mechanism, or ESM, and the European Financial Stability Facility, or EFSF — would be managed by the European Central Bank, though the details still need to be worked out.

    The failure to get agreement among all 27 EU members came despite a marathon negotiating session. The 27 EU presidents and prime ministers began their talks at 7:30 Thursday evening and continued past 4:30 a.m.

    A Reuters poll of economists found that while 33 out of 57 believe the eurozone will probably survive in its current form, 38 of those questioned expected this week's summit would fail to deliver a decisive solution to the debt crisis.

    The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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  • muddyfunkstar
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 967

    #2
    Yeah, it's exciting political times for us in Britain and the EU.

    I'm no fan of Cameron, but I kind of respect him showing some backbone here. Sarkozy and Merkel only have the interests of France and Germany at heart, despite their facade about the greater good of the EU

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    • Frosted
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      • Mar 2010
      • 5798

      #3
      France and Germany were doing a deal that would suit themselves and not Britain.
      Britain would've had to hand over more powers to the EU which would have triggered a referendum to leave or stay with the EU. (We are technically not in the EU but a 'no' vote would have us leave altogether)
      I think Britain would have voted to leave the EU and Cameron knows it. As a result of walking away he doesn't trigger the referendum.

      Personally I think the technical term for the EU at the moment is 'f***ed'. I don't think people realise just how f***ed the EU is.

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      • muddyfunkstar
        Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 967

        #4
        On the bright side, if Britain do leave/get booted out of the EU (which is looking strangely likely at the moment) at least we can buy snus online a bit easier.

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        • spirit72
          Member
          • Apr 2008
          • 1013

          #5
          I'm not an economist or politician, but I am really not sure how the Eurozone makes it going forward. I can't see it.

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          • pris

            #6
            I was thinking about that today. I think if we left the EU altogether all our packages (even from Sweden) would be subject to customs control. Not sure if we want that :-o

            Originally posted by muddyfunkstar
            On the bright side, if Britain do leave/get booted out of the EU (which is looking strangely likely at the moment) at least we can buy snus online a bit easier.

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            • chainsnuser
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 1388

              #7
              Originally posted by muddyfunkstar
              On the bright side, if Britain do leave/get booted out of the EU (which is looking strangely likely at the moment) at least we can buy snus online a bit easier.
              Keep in mind that the snus ban was a British invention. To ban all kinds of moist snuff (like the UK had already done in the 80's) was part of the UK's conditions to join the EU.

              I think the Eurozone will be scaled down to a few countries with equal economic strength. It's idiotic in my eyes, because it wouldn't be a problem at all to support countries like Greece and Portugal, not more of a problem at least than the never-ending payments to the "second-world" eastern part of Germany, but it's obviously politically unwanted or democatrically impossible to place.

              No wonder, the EU, which could be (seen as) a surety for freedom, peace, progress and prosperity has very well managed to be (seen as) a source of oppression and brainless bureaucracy.

              Cheers!

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              • lxskllr
                Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 13435

                #8
                Originally posted by chainsnuser

                No wonder, the EU, which could be (seen as) a surety for freedom, peace, progress and prosperity has very well managed to be (seen as) a source of oppression and brainless bureaucracy.

                Cheers!
                Strong central government is always bad. It separates the people from the governors who allegedly rule on their behalf. The differences between countries, and their traditions are too great to have central rule. Cooperation between nations is better handled through separate treaty imo.

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                • Ansel
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                  • Feb 2011
                  • 3696

                  #9

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                  • Crow
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 4312

                    #10
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                    • sgreger1
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                      • Mar 2009
                      • 9451

                      #11
                      I agree with LX, central/big governments are always doomed to become corrupt and top-heavy and inevitably fail. As much as people don't like the idea of a lean, small government, it is the only thing that will work. Sure, things that maybe should be regulated will go unregulated and natural forces will do their best to keep them in line as best they can, but at the end of the day (in big government) the regulation piles up and becomes nothing but bureaucratic red tape which quickly wraps itself around it's own neck until the beast is completely strangled.

                      I hope the EU fails, and I hope mankind takes a lesson in why central government does not work. You have too many competing agendas/cultures to fit under one roof.

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                      • Ansel
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                        • Feb 2011
                        • 3696

                        #12


                        Mr wrinkle and babyface. Someone farted?

                        Or is that Sly Stallone on the left. Don't push me!

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