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  • shikitohno
    Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 1156

    Just search for either e17 or enlightenment, sgreger. It's one of those two, it installed with no issues for me in the past through yum. My personal preference for window managers runs i3 > ratpoison > evilwm, at the moment. If you thought gnome was already clean with little extra crap to remove, check out this though: That's i3 in tabbed mode. Normally I like running it stacked, but lately I've been enjoying tabbed for the nice screen conservation it lets you have, basically giving everything the most space it can. Pretty much everything is keyboard driven, so you don't really need to use the mouse ever if you don't want to.

    As for shells, I do like zsh. That said, it's not a huge improvement over bash unless you're a real hardcore power user, in my opinion. It does some things, like tab completion, slightly better. For example, if you hit tab and there's multiple ways to complete it, zsh will give you a list of all possibilities right away, rather than bash where you need to hit tab twice. If you enter a directory path with no name, zsh will automatically switch to it like you'd typed cd. It's also got improved aliasing features. It's a lot of little nice things that can be cool, but I don't know if I'd say I consider it a big enough gain the you really have to switch.

    It can be cool to learn and become proficient in the various shells. As long as a shell has a vi mode, I'm cool with it, though.

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    • devilock76
      Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 1737

      Pretty sure the enlightenment in the Fedora repos is actually E16 not E17 which is still technially beta i think. Come to think of it E17 might be in the Aur for Arch not the main repo.

      Ken

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      • lxskllr
        Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 13435

        Originally posted by devilock76
        Pretty sure the enlightenment in the Fedora repos is actually E16 not E17 which is still technially beta i think. Come to think of it E17 might be in the Aur for Arch not the main repo.

        Ken
        Ubuntu 10.04 is still on E16, and Debian stable /may/ be. I installed E17 on sid, so I don't know about the other versions.

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        • devilock76
          Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 1737

          Originally posted by lxskllr
          Ubuntu 10.04 is still on E16, and Debian stable /may/ be. I installed E17 on sid, so I don't know about the other versions.
          It feels like E17 will never mak stable, it has been beta for almost 7 years. Still it is worlds different than 16 and by that I mean worlds better.

          If one prefers deb/ubuntu I believe Linux Mint has a good E17 implementation in its repos.

          Ken

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          • lxskllr
            Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 13435

            Bodhi has a nice enlightenment implementation. That could be loaded into a vm to check it out.

            http://www.bodhilinux.com/

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            • devilock76
              Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 1737

              Originally posted by lxskllr
              Bodhi has a nice enlightenment implementation. That could be loaded into a vm to check it out.

              http://www.bodhilinux.com/
              I have a special place in my heart fo minimal ditros...

              Ken

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              • lxskllr
                Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 13435

                Originally posted by devilock76
                I have a special place in my heart fo minimal ditros...

                Ken
                Same. Being able to carry a full O/S in a hundred or two mb in your pocket is magic AFAIC. I'm currently playing with TinyCore on a 256mb thumb drive. I was using SliTaz, but the latest version has been giving me problems. The nice thing about TinyCore is you can use a fat image(65mb :^D), and it packs a bunch of wireless drivers in it. That makes it useful for foreign computers where you aren't sure what you'll find. Oh yea, and on that 256mb(!) thumb drive, I also have a bunch of Windows portable apps to use on Windows machines. THAT'S magic :^)

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                • devilock76
                  Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 1737

                  Originally posted by lxskllr
                  Same. Being able to carry a full O/S in a hundred or two mb in your pocket is magic AFAIC. I'm currently playing with TinyCore on a 256mb thumb drive. I was using SliTaz, but the latest version has been giving me problems. The nice thing about TinyCore is you can use a fat image(65mb :^D), and it packs a bunch of wireless drivers in it. That makes it useful for foreign computers where you aren't sure what you'll find. Oh yea, and on that 256mb(!) thumb drive, I also have a bunch of Windows portable apps to use on Windows machines. THAT'S magic :^)
                  I used to use Damn Small on a thumb drive with qemu to run virtual anywhere. No i just cay portable apps with putty and vncviewer to cnnect to my hime vnc as needed.

                  Ken

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                  • lxskllr
                    Member
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 13435

                    Bodhi with a downloaded theme. I really like this desktop. If Ubuntu doesn't have the E17 packages when it upgrades this April, having access to E17 may push my hand towards Debian. That on top of the rolling updates is very compelling.

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                    • devilock76
                      Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 1737

                      Originally posted by lxskllr
                      Bodhi with a downloaded theme. I really like this desktop. If Ubuntu doesn't have the E17 packages when it upgrades this April, having access to E17 may push my hand towards Debian. That on top of the rolling updates is very compelling.
                      Looks good...

                      Ken

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                      • sgreger1
                        Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 9451

                        Originally posted by shikitohno
                        Just search for either e17 or enlightenment, sgreger. It's one of those two, it installed with no issues for me in the past through yum.


                        It says no packages for either e17 or enlightenment

                        It only has e16. Maybe I will try that for now

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                        • sgreger1
                          Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 9451

                          Oh man I think I'm in trouble. So my mom's laptop is getting slow so I tried installing Fedora on it, pretty sure I messed up big time. When partitioning I shrank the volume and then made the appropriate partitions but then I chose the "replace other versions of linux" option since that is the only one that would work and now Fedora works fine but her windows won't start. As soon as it loads into windows it asks for the recovery disk and says it doesn't have any operating systems listed. I hope to god I didn't write over her whole drive somehow, but windows definitely got uninstalled or majorly corrupted somehow.

                          Her computer didn't come with a recovery disc so I am burning one right now. Wish me luck...


                          Edit: I am trying to use fdisk to see what happened to her hard drive as windows recovery says she doesn't have her hard drive, and it now has an X: drive and an F: drive, both are only a few megabytes.

                          fdisk -l doesn't do anything, and the manual makes no sense it says
                          Code:
                          fdisk [options] -l <disk>
                          But that makes no sense, I don't know what to put for options.

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                          • devilock76
                            Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 1737

                            It sounds like you wrote over the windows partition and ntldr is all that is left in your mbr and that is what grub is seeing.

                            Ken

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                            • sgreger1
                              Member
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 9451

                              Originally posted by devilock76
                              It sounds like you wrote over the windows partition and ntldr is all that is left in your mbr and that is what grub is seeing.

                              Ken

                              Hmm, that's awesome. So it erased 210Gb of data on my C: drive just to install a 50GB linux partition? That totally sucks. It worked fine on my computer, not sure why it wiped hers. I am going to take it to a computer repair place tomorrow to see if they can fix it. I can't believe it managed to wipe the whole hard drive, I didn't choose the option to wipe the drive, it was only supposed to use the free space. This totally sucks.

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                              • lxskllr
                                Member
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 13435

                                Don't know what you got going there, but you need to minimize writes to the hd if there's still data to recover. I'd suggest making a bootable USB/CD of PartedMagic, and SEEING what your disk looks like. It's easier getting a grasp on the situation when you can see a graphical representation of the disk.
                                http://partedmagic.com/doku.php

                                A data recovery program. I've never used it, so you're on your own, but you may find stuff to get back...
                                http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec

                                Partitioning's dangerous, and valuable data should always be backed up first. It's especially dangerous because it's easy to do, and it /usually/ goes well. That fosters complacency, and stupid mistakes happen. Sometimes you do everything right, and it still goes tits up. When you get everything resolved one way or the other, now's a good time to work out a REGULAR backup routine for you and your family. That server you have would be a great place to do offsite backups, and setting up something local would be useful too. A RaspberryPI would make a fine server for some local storage.

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