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  • shikitohno
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    • Jul 2009
    • 1156

    Small children while travelling.

    I'll admit, this is something that's been bugging me for a long time now. I saw a clip about this family just now, who got booted off a flight because their 2 year old threw a temper tantrum. The girl wouldn't stay seated, was constantly agitating her sibling, and the parents couldn't get her buckled in. When they finally did manage to, they were told by flight attendents that they'd taken too long to do so, and the pilot had already decided to turn the plane around, and they got kicked off.

    This is an issue that I'm personally pretty fed up with, having taken public transportation every day, for several years. There is almost always some family who feels the need to bring all five of the hell spawn brood along with them on a train or bus. These little monsters will then spend the entire trip (they're always going to the very last stop on the line, likely the very same one you are) screaming, shouting, running around, and generally misbehaving. On the occasions where I've spoken up and asked people to take control of their children, I'm usually given a reply similar to, "Oh, that's just how children are, you can't understand because you don't have children. You're obviously a horrible person who thinks parents should have no social life, and just stay at home with their kids all the time."

    To be fair, no, I don't have kids. I don't care to, either. These self-righteous parents seem to treat rights as a one-way street, though. Often I hear about how they've got every right to be on the train, bus, or whatever, and that I'm attempting to be some sort of tyrant. Just as parents with small children have their right to be on a plane or train, other paying customers have some rights they should reasonably be able to expect. I shouldn't have to deal with your 3 year old kicking the back of my seat the entire trip, after I've asked you four times if you'd please stop him, and you give me an evil eye and keep chatting on your cell phone about who's sleeping with who at the bar. We, as a whole, shouldn't have to cope with your children running up and down the aisle, intermittently stopping to scream and shout at the top of their lungs. If I did the stuff a lot of these kids did, I'd get me and all my friends kicked off the train after two stops. There's no way in hell we'd be allowed to stay on from one end of the line to the other.

    I understand little kids will have a hard time sitting still for two or three hours at a stretch. Really, I understand that. If your kid has a couple outbursts, I can deal with that, as long as you take control of things, and get him to calm down. What I can't deal with is the kids who misbehave horribly the entire trip, while their parents give you a look that clearly says, "What do you want me to do? It's not my fault, that's how kids are." I think my mother did a pretty good job of solving this dilemma. Until I demonstrated that I was able to sit still and behave myself for long enough, she didn't take me on public means of transportation with her. Sometimes I stayed at home with my father. If he had something to do, I'd go over to my aunt's house for the weekend, or stay with a family friend. Being reasonable and willing to compromise could go a long way here towards all the passengers getting along. Do mom and dad really both need to be on this trip? Maybe one could stay home and watch the little kids for the day. Can you maybe get a friend to watch them for a day? Get your friend a case of beer or something, and he'll probably be willing to help you out. If you can't find anyone to watch the kids, and both parents need to go (or maybe it's a single parent), actually do some parenting. Take some control over your kids, instead of sitting there looking helpless and glaring at anyone who asks you to do so.

    For the family in the linked article, I have a hard time feeling much sympathy for them. If you can afford a vacation to the Turks and Caicos, you can probably afford a baby sitter to watch your kid for a week while you're gone. Anyone else who's bothered by this? Any parents who'd like to tell me I'm an inconsiderate monster? I really think a little consideration both ways could do a lot of good to resolve this.
  • lxskllr
    Member
    • Sep 2007
    • 13435

    #2
    I hear you. Kids are "just like that" when you allow them to be just like that. Poor behavior wasn't an option for my daughter. A couple of times when it was tried in public, she had to go away from people, face a wall or column, and cry or whatever to herself until she got it out of her system. No attention, no nothing. (un)surprisingly that was hardly ever needed. Take away the audience, and the problem goes with it. Allow kids to act like assholes, and they'll be assholes. I've sat out in places and quietly watched while kids start to get wound up, and their parents are completely oblivious. It's then some big surprise when their little angels act like shitheads. They don't know how to read their kids, and interpret the silent signals that things are going to get worse. These aren't even my kids and I see it, how can they be so unaware?

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    • Frosted
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      • Mar 2010
      • 5798

      #3
      2 years and below, things are utterly impossible. Above that, if you've been parenting correctly there shouldn't be a problem.

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      • shikitohno
        Member
        • Jul 2009
        • 1156

        #4
        The owner of a local restaurant had a pretty interesting thing with his daughter. She knew if she threw a loud, obnoxious fit in public, her parents would punish her. So when she got angry that things didn't go her way, she'd lay down on the floor, and beat her arms and legs against the floor in total silence. She'd learned pretty quick that she could still do this to show her parents she was pissed off about something, and she wouldn't be punished for it.

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        • Frosted
          Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 5798

          #5
          This guy has an interesting take on discipline

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          • Frosted
            Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 5798

            #6
            Found a video with you in it Shikit

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            • devilock76
              Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 1737

              #7
              Parenting is a bit more than simply being in the same room as your children, these people you discuss don't seem to get that.

              Granted a small inconsolable child can be an issue.

              Visiting Chicago one time we had our oldest two with us (youngest not born yet) oldest was almost 2.5 youngest 1.5. We got delayed and late for lunch and after the train ride then had to take a bus to where we were going. Our youngest had had it and was a crying mess. Not kicking and acting up but even us holding him and trying to sooth him did nothing, we apologized profusely for being "those people" on the bus. Thankfully we only had to go two stops, had to divert to a different restaurant and get them fed. It happens but it is rare. Sometimes you just have to leave the place. My kids now know well though (since they are older) that if we have to leave from something they do there will be hell to pay.

              Ken

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              • resnor
                Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 619

                #8
                I think the frustrating thing about kids acting up is when the parents seemingly do nothing. I think most people can understand that kids, especially on long plane rides, are going possibly have some issues. I've flown with my two kids, at the time ages 2 and 1, with my wife from New Hampshire to Montana to go visit her parents. We made sure that we had the earliest flight available, so that the kids would sleep most of the time. We had snacks and stuff for the kids, and my son, the 2 year old, I knew would be commandeering my iPhone when he was finally awake. The trip was mostly smooth, but it's all about being prepared, and actually caring about the other people on the plane.

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                • Frosted
                  Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 5798

                  #9
                  We went to Ireland when my son was 2. It was a 50 minute flight and he screamed the whole way. Not a thing we could have done about it. It was highly embarrassing.

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                  • shikitohno
                    Member
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 1156

                    #10
                    Originally posted by resnor
                    I think the frustrating thing about kids acting up is when the parents seemingly do nothing. I think most people can understand that kids, especially on long plane rides, are going possibly have some issues. I've flown with my two kids, at the time ages 2 and 1, with my wife from New Hampshire to Montana to go visit her parents. We made sure that we had the earliest flight available, so that the kids would sleep most of the time. We had snacks and stuff for the kids, and my son, the 2 year old, I knew would be commandeering my iPhone when he was finally awake. The trip was mostly smooth, but it's all about being prepared, and actually caring about the other people on the plane.
                    That's how I feel about things. It's one thing if you've got a stubborn child and you're doing your best to try and get them to behave. It's annoying, but I can live with it. It's another thing entirely when the kids are out of control and the parents just sit there and ignore it, carrying on their phone call and pretending nothing's happening.

                    Edit: A tangent, but another travel pet peeve of mine, people who can't carry on a phone call at an appropriate volume. The ones who always seem to be on for an hour or more, at the other end of the car/cabin, who you can hear clearly from the opposite end, because shouting is the only way they seem to know of speaking.

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                    • sgreger1
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 9451

                      #11
                      Okay I kinda have to be the dissenting opinion here. Sometimes you just need to bring your kids with you when you travel, whether it is on the bus, on the plane etc. 2 year olds for example are kind of difficult to control, especiall on an airplane since they can't pop their ears so it gives them headaches etc. And sometimes your kids are sick, or cranky, etc etc and there just franly isn't much you can do about it.

                      Lx said it best though: "Take away the audience, and the problem goes with it."

                      That's what I do with my daughter. My wife and grandmothers see her crying and are like "ohh come here baby", but I just make her face a corner and completely disregard her until she stops crying. I don't actually "disregard her", but I do my best to give her that impression, once she realizes no one is coming to her rescue she gets bored of crying and is like, "I'm sorry daddy, I didn't mean to cry so much" etc.

                      My daughter is very well behaved, and if I tell her to go sit in the corner and face the wall she will do so without me having to enforce it on her, she will just sit there until she gets verbal authorization to move, so I am lucky in that regard. I don't know how having like 5 kids would be, to me that would be utter chaos but I guess I just havn't experienced it. Traveling with 5 kids must be a nightmare for all parties involved.

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                      • Premium Parrots
                        Super Moderators
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 9759

                        #12
                        Valium therapy works well on kids as well as adults.
                        Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I killed because they were annoying......





                        I've been wrong lots of times.  Lots of times I've thought I was wrong only to find out that I was right in the beginning.


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                        • devilock76
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                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1737

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Premium Parrots
                          Valium therapy works well on kids as well as adults.
                          Tranquilizer darts and duct tape work as well...

                          Ken

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                          • shikitohno
                            Member
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 1156

                            #14
                            I know you can't avoid taking them along in all situations. Still, there's a distinction between a kid who's upset because their sick or something, and have their parents trying to calm them down, and the kids who act like little bastards because their parents sit by and do nothing. The former, while certainly annoying to others, I find understable. The latter, I find extremely annoying. Too many people just sit doing nothing while their children misbehave, simply because they know they can get away with it. If anyone dares call them out on it, mom will just respond with, "They're just being kids, asshole." and they know it.

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                            • devilock76
                              Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1737

                              #15
                              Alternative tact, especially if you are sitting there first and don't ever expect to see those people again. Ask them to move away, if they say no, just turn around and say look I am really stressed, I have to meet my parole officer and tell him I lost another job due to it getting out I am a registered sex offender. That will get them to move or get their kids under control real quick...

                              Ken

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