Man I don't know how I missed all the fun
But going back and rereading it I have come to the resolute conclusion that snus on is full of geniuses
We know this because............. everyone has irrefutable evidence that everyone else is a dumb ass
Unfortunately...........not one of you rocket scientist have figured how a lowly soul like me can order LD in the USA or have come up with a working can solution for the nice folks at Gellivare................
My input on the thread would have gone something like this
I respectfully disagree with all those who think that respect is something that is earned. On its most basic and fundamental level respect is something that is given. Respect in this most basic sense is our response to the inherent value of others. In the south we say yes mam to a lady and yes sir to a gentleman regardless of whether we have ever met them.
If we begin with respect as something earned..............then the value of another person is reduced to their value to me............which ironically............subordinates others to the ego of the self...............which in turn is the very opposite of respect (deference of self to others)
It is no surprise that in a society that is grounded on the self (morality is self-choice not obligation................religion is personal belief......................and truth is opinion) that we find (a) a lack of respect and (b) the inability given our basic fundamental assumptions about self............to regain the notion of respect in any but a nostalgic way.
That said..............in a secondary sense respect can be lost and earned (but only after we have the notion of respect properly grounded)
A person who behave in a way unbecoming of his value (lies, steals, hurts others) will lose our respect.......but notice how the loss of respect must presuppose an initial and created (inherent if you would) respect to be lost.
Respect can be earned in terms of a specific aspect or area of life. A coach might have to earn the respect of his team................back to back losing seasons and he might lose that respect.
But again notice how this secondary earned respect still presupposes the initial and fundamental respect. ………..We may think the coach needs to be fired..........we may be vocal and passionate about it...........however, we are horrified when people begin to threaten the coach or harass his family (the man is a lousy coach.............but he is still a person and a dad).............and therefore deserves to be treated with decency
Also...............I would be careful about conflating morality and epistemology...........ie...........more education will yield morally better people....or in this case a more respectful society...........that was the mistake of the enlightenment...............and the enlightenment has died a disastrous death philosophically (think postmodernism)
Better educated families have fewer children............because they are economically motivated to do so............it is this same motivation that will pollute the streams to avoid the high cost of responsible disposal of industrial waste............it is also this same greed that will pay a worker the least amount they can......not what they are worth.....thus promoting the very squalor we were quick to look to these men and their education to prevent.
Finally, I offer to you an older view of intelligence.........one not based on the abstract concept of knowledge..........but on the ability to carry your field forward and to produce something of worth to others...........Aristotle would have called it craft...............
But going back and rereading it I have come to the resolute conclusion that snus on is full of geniuses
We know this because............. everyone has irrefutable evidence that everyone else is a dumb ass
Unfortunately...........not one of you rocket scientist have figured how a lowly soul like me can order LD in the USA or have come up with a working can solution for the nice folks at Gellivare................

My input on the thread would have gone something like this
I respectfully disagree with all those who think that respect is something that is earned. On its most basic and fundamental level respect is something that is given. Respect in this most basic sense is our response to the inherent value of others. In the south we say yes mam to a lady and yes sir to a gentleman regardless of whether we have ever met them.
If we begin with respect as something earned..............then the value of another person is reduced to their value to me............which ironically............subordinates others to the ego of the self...............which in turn is the very opposite of respect (deference of self to others)
It is no surprise that in a society that is grounded on the self (morality is self-choice not obligation................religion is personal belief......................and truth is opinion) that we find (a) a lack of respect and (b) the inability given our basic fundamental assumptions about self............to regain the notion of respect in any but a nostalgic way.
That said..............in a secondary sense respect can be lost and earned (but only after we have the notion of respect properly grounded)
A person who behave in a way unbecoming of his value (lies, steals, hurts others) will lose our respect.......but notice how the loss of respect must presuppose an initial and created (inherent if you would) respect to be lost.
Respect can be earned in terms of a specific aspect or area of life. A coach might have to earn the respect of his team................back to back losing seasons and he might lose that respect.
But again notice how this secondary earned respect still presupposes the initial and fundamental respect. ………..We may think the coach needs to be fired..........we may be vocal and passionate about it...........however, we are horrified when people begin to threaten the coach or harass his family (the man is a lousy coach.............but he is still a person and a dad).............and therefore deserves to be treated with decency
Also...............I would be careful about conflating morality and epistemology...........ie...........more education will yield morally better people....or in this case a more respectful society...........that was the mistake of the enlightenment...............and the enlightenment has died a disastrous death philosophically (think postmodernism)
Better educated families have fewer children............because they are economically motivated to do so............it is this same motivation that will pollute the streams to avoid the high cost of responsible disposal of industrial waste............it is also this same greed that will pay a worker the least amount they can......not what they are worth.....thus promoting the very squalor we were quick to look to these men and their education to prevent.
Finally, I offer to you an older view of intelligence.........one not based on the abstract concept of knowledge..........but on the ability to carry your field forward and to produce something of worth to others...........Aristotle would have called it craft...............
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