Did aliens or God create the human race?

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Do not think that God created a humans , but aliens .... Here is the problem ... Who created Alians, from chaos they heve been created no way, another Alians ??? Maybe ... Then who created those other Alians ???? To make long story short big bang created everything .... Again problem , who crated that what exploded in suche way ???? No one know, and will never know, sorry for this

[devilock76]

There is a reason natual selection could work differently. I biological level symbionic dependency where the one cannot flourish without the others flourishing. There are minor examples on this planet but imagine a planet where that is the prime existence between the most dominant species. That would be a reason for it to work differently.

Ken

[sgreger1]

Do not think that God created a humans , but aliens .... Here is the problem ... Who created Alians, from chaos they heve been created no way, another Alians ??? Maybe ... Then who created those other Alians ???? To make long story short big bang created everything .... Again problem , who crated that what exploded in suche way ???? No one know, and will never know, sorry for this

You are assuming that there was a "who" who created these things, which isn't necessarily the case. The current theory is that there are an infinite number of universes, each with different properties, and given this fact eventually one would end up with the type of conditions we see in this universe. We may have just been at the right place at the right time. A trillion other universes could have come into existence and fizzled out, while ours had just what is necessary for life to begin. As for what started the big bang, there are many theories on that, ranging from black holes in a larger parent universe created our big bang, all the way to things like the expand/collapse hypothesis of string theory where the universe has always existed and just expands and the collapses back onto itself, then explodes in a big bang and does it all over again. Too early to tell I suppose.

[sgreger1]

There is a reason natual selection could work differently. I biological level symbionic dependency where the one cannot flourish without the others flourishing. There are minor examples on this planet but imagine a planet where that is the prime existence between the most dominant species. That would be a reason for it to work differently.

Ken

True, but it just seems like such an organism would not ever obtain sentience or the ability to build spaceships to get here. The mere fact that they would want to build spaceships and travel to distant lands hints at them being the type that are looking for something. I think technology can be kind of linear, you can't invent x before y, so by the time they got to spaceships I imagine weapons have already been created. I guess it's all just a thought experiment though, but all we have to go on is what we know on earth, which points towards them fighting and having weapons.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

You are assuming that there was a "who" who created these things, which isn't necessarily the case. The current theory is that there are an infinite nuber of universes, each with different properties, and given this fact eventually one would end up with the type of conditions we see in this universe. We may have just been at the right place at the right time. A trillion other universes could have come into existence and fizzled out, while ours had just what is necessary for life to begin. As for what started the big bang, there are many theories on that, ranging from black holes in a larger parent universe created our big bang, all the way to things like the expand/collapse hypothesis of string theory where the universe has always existed and just expands and the collapses back onto itself, then explodes in a big bang and does it all over again. Too early to tell I suppose.

I can agree with you on every word you wrote, but one thing does not let me be ok ... What created the universe or universes from where the materia came in that case , why we not even a microbes in unevers level can ask us this difficulty quastions, is it brain we have is mini "something " which Created everything, or I am out and fishing

[sgreger1]

I can agree with you on every word you wrote, but one thing does not let me be ok ... What created the universe or universes from where the materia came in that case , why we not even a microbes in unevers level can ask us this difficulty quastions, is it brain we have is mini "something " which Created everything, or I am out and fishing

Not entirely clear on your question, but essentially the way to think of it is like this: You have to break out of the human way on thinking about things. Time (linear time especially), don't have to play into this really. Just think "the universe has always existed, and will always exist, there was no begining and there will be no end". The alpha and omega, is that makes more sense. The universe is the word we use to describe everything that exists, therefore nothing escapes this definition. If it exists, than it is part of the universe. The universe was not created, and did not "start" or get "created" at any time, it just always has been and always will be. Kind of like how people imagine God is. But then the question is, if there was a god, who created him? It's really a circular question, and it best answered by "the universe always existed and had no starting point". (

I am tlaking about the larger term "Universe", as in; everything that exists. Our local universe started with the big bang, or it may have always existed and just goes through cycles of bang and bust over and over into infinity. The universe itself exists outside of time, it is immortal. Shit like that.

[sgreger1]

Just to drag Roo into this thread, I will mention that even wilder possibilities are possible. It is possible that at some point in time, humans gets computers fast big enough to be able to simulate the process of evolution itself, and use that to simulate their world from start to finish (for science!). So they start the simulation and the big bang happens, it runs its course etc and eventually humans come into being (in the simulation). That could be us, the simulations, living in a virtual simulation of a larger "real" world that is merely being simulated so that it can be studied in finer detail. But if such a thing were possible, than eventually the simulations themselves would advance to the point where they were able to simulate evolution and began constructing similar computers which would then simulate another world, withing the simulation that was already occuring in the original world. Like a virtual machine. Considering such computers would run on fast-forward (since we don't have time to wait 10 billion years for the simulation to run it's course, it could be that each simulated universe eventually gets to a point where it simulates another, who then simulates another, etc etc. In a scenario like this, and given so many simulations within simulations, the odds of us being the 1 humans who are living in the "real" world are very slim, and there's a 99% chance that we are living in on of the many simulations.

So maybe this all was created, maybe we all live in a simulation that future humans are running to study evolution. But then, who created them? Again all of these are just circular theories and not much more than food for thought.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Well maybe , but there is a theory that everything will desapear about 13 billion years from now , univers might have age might be not , we might be molecul of the some kind of organism, our solar system looks like molecul, atom ( sun) and planets ( elektrones) this is Reserford Teory not main but when I was 13 years of age , I was leing in the balcony and looking in the stars and that idea hited me , next day I asked my Teacher and she told me where did you read about it I said I have just thought about it never read it anywhere , she told me it is Reserford theory,

[wa3zrm]

For what it's worth, I once had a Sociology professor that claimed only the very rich and the very poor have strong beliefs in a God. The rich, because they have the cash and leisure time and the poor because they only have desperation.

He's dead now (the professor, not God), so I guess he knows weather or not he was right!

BTW, he never mentioned anything about aliens.

[lxskllr]

Well maybe , but there is a theory that everything will desapear about 13 billion years from now , univers might have age might be not , we might be molecul of the some kind of organism, our solar system looks like molecul, atom ( sun) and planets ( elektrones) this is Reserford Teory not main but when I was 13 years of age , I was leing in the balcony and looking in the stars and that idea hited me , next day I asked my Teacher and she told me where did you read about it I said I have just thought about it never read it anywhere , she told me it is Reserford theory,

I've thought that myself. There's a lot of interesting possibilities regarding the nature of things, but most will never be provable. It's fun to think about though :^)

[Roo]

Just to drag Roo into this thread.......

Yawn!!! Ugh, errr... ah, scratch my balls.

[sgreger1]

Well maybe , but there is a theory that everything will desapear about 13 billion years from now , univers might have age might be not , we might be molecul of the some kind of organism, our solar system looks like molecul, atom ( sun) and planets ( elektrones) this is Reserford Teory not main but when I was 13 years of age , I was leing in the balcony and looking in the stars and that idea hited me , next day I asked my Teacher and she told me where did you read about it I said I have just thought about it never read it anywhere , she told me it is Reserford theory,

Same thing happened to me! When I was younger it became aparent that everything was like a fractal. It's all spheres rotating around spheres, who in aggregate form larger more solid spheres who then rotate around other even larger spheres, and so electrons orbit nuclei to make up planets which orbit suns, which make up solar systems which orbit galaxies, which on and on and on and on. In the end, we may be the bacteria of the universe, our entire universe may just be an atom of a much larger universe, we may just be the quantum level of the (much) larger "real" universe, and we are but one small piece of the puzzle, like an individual grain of sand amongst a billion other universes that make up a single grain of sand on a beach in some larger universe. Who knows man, who knows. Maybe it's just heat death and everything gets cold and burns out in a few billion years, there's just no way for us to know for sure this early in the game.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Here what i am sure of , God does not created the Human but God ( the guy who we call God) created the beginning of everything the that started to go his natural way like a clock with out ending where whatch master created the watch but how it goes he does not care ....

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

As KANT said in each sience there is so much truth as much mathematics you have in it , as you understand in what we where talking wos no mathematics at all

[sgreger1]

As KANT said in each sience there is so much truth as much mathematics you have in it , as you understand in what we where talking wos no mathematics at all

Not sure if I understand your quote correctly, but there is a LOT of mathematics behind the multiverse theory and pretty much everything else aside from the "we live in a computer simulation" theory. The idea of a multiverse is one of the prevailing theories that most famous scientists appear to believe in today.