Did aliens or God create the human race?

[heders]

you are speaking non-sense dude

First of all you have no diploma to certify all of your sayings. I have spoken with numerous specialists that have confirmed my experiences.

On a second note, sleep paralysis is NOT a hallucination - it may be accompanied by hallucinations. (it's a neurological disorder in medical terms)

On a third note I am not experiencing these quite often, I've had them a couple dozen of times.

In the hypnagocic you can have either of the various types of hallucinations (but you're not conscious while having the hallucinations)

And, IF neither are of these experiences are proof of a soul then how would you explain that in sleep paralysis and/or hypnagocia you can view yourself from different angles? Say from the top of your room or from the corners of your room.... ?

Yep - I'm on you with the chakras (there more research needed) - even though I tend to believe as the soul does exist....


You better do some more study before contradicting someone.

Anyways, some things are really weird and not even science has been able to determine their existence.

For example in sleep paralysis I've heard that many people experience the same thing. Is there a question to why this happens?



Kinda weird never had this wish I won't lol but a lot of people do -

Maybe there is some connection and aliens playing trick on US, lmao

No, aliens are not tricking you and playing with your mind when you experience a sleep paralysis. lol

And no, a sleep paralysis is not a proof that a soul exists. What is a soul? Astral projection, OBE etc. are just a trick by the mind. That stuff is pretty cool to experience, but just caused by a confused mind - kind of like depersonalization that can cause you to feel you're outside of your body during stress.

[Ansel]

This is what I think also.

me too :-)

[wa3zrm]

Oh for sure, me too. I only charge $45 though so hit me up on PM and I will heal your chakras from a distance (i'm a distance healer). Paypal only.

I'll do it for $25!

[Ansel]

It's a Dutch auction.

[Roo]

Sleep paralysis is an REM sleep disorder, plain and simple. It happens to me all the time. There's nothing else to it -- and it certainly has nothing to do with Lyme Disease. When we are in deep REM sleep we are temporarily paralyzed. Some of us awake before this paralytic function is "turned off". Hence, the phenomenon at hand. Because we are in or in between a dream state, this may feel like a spiritual occurrence. Everything you perceive and experience is filtered through your mind. So whatever you can say happened to you, I can call bullshit on, because you were the one who perceived it, not me. That's taking it too far, I agree, but the point is that your mind can do fantastical things, especially in a dream state, and especially when REM sleep cycles are interrupted or permutated by phenomena such as sleep paralysis or hypnagogia. Whatever the case, sleep paralysis is to do with the Mind, not a "soul". After all, what's the difference? The soul is the mind that is somehow eternal? Nah, just because you want it to be doesn't mean it is. That's my take anyway.

[precious007]

Hey sgreg,

Told, you I am on with your on the chakras.

But I still do believe the soul exists even if science hasn't been able to bring a solid proof yet. (no it doesn't have eyes and it can't see, scientifically speaking, but there's more in this world than just material (science). Some people even put LOVE into discussion as a sentiment on a few boards, and some say that love is in fact just a reproduction instinct in humans just as in animals.

I am a lot on the scientific side of things, but I DO believe there is a soul, a radiating aura that surrounds your body (the invisible energy that flows through your body) that is what makes up your soul. Once your body dies, this energy remains in the Universe (at least this is a concept I've believed to be true).

Some say that in OBD and sleep paralysis the souls leaves the body but it's still connected through and energetic "like wire" (a conception) that is why you are able to see things from above.

As I said, there is just much more that science hasn't been able to demonstrate yet. (or as in the medical field, many know the answer to so many questions, but they don't want to reveal the truth to the general public, purely because they have financial interests for their innovations and findings).

[precious007]

Sleep paralysis is an REM sleep disorder, plain and simple. It happens to me all the time. There's nothing else to it -- and it certainly has nothing to do with Lyme Disease. When we are in deep REM sleep we are temporarily paralyzed. Some of us awake before this paralytic function is "turned off". Hence, the phenomenon at hand. Because we are in or in between a dream state, this may feel like a spiritual occurrence. Everything you perceive and experience is filtered through your mind. So whatever you can say happened to you, I can call bullshit on, because you were the one who perceived it, not me. That's taking it too far, I agree, but the point is that your mind can do fantastical things, especially in a dream state, and especially when REM sleep cycles are interrupted or permutated by phenomena such as sleep paralysis or hypnagogia. Whatever the case, sleep paralysis is to do with the Mind, not a "soul". After all, what's the difference? The soul is the mind that is somehow eternal? Nah, just because you want it to be doesn't mean it is. That's my take anyway.

Roo, you do have a good scientific point. (however I still want to believe there is a soul, in a form of energy in our body)

Lyme disease is much more complex than many people would think it is - there are just about 300 conditions that CAN be in fact lyme disease. Some people live with this infections for years and decades, they usually have neurological and psychiatric disorders, a series of musculoskeletal diseases (and in some cases heart disease) that they don't even know about. Usually as the illness progresses no doctor is able to make a differential diagnosis purely because this infectious illness is way too complex and can affect in the chronic stages pretty much all the organs. I was particularly mentioning that sleep paralysis can be related to Lyme disease because it is a neurological disorder and Lyme specifically affects the nervous system in the second and third stage.

Recent research has demonstrated that in many Lyme patients the complications can be quite variate (in the later stages of the disease) and most of the times they can have an autoimune disease without a known cause. (that's when you'd suspect Lyme disease - just a few example would be MS, Chron's, Fybromialgia).

Here's a list of 300 diseases that CAN be Lyme Disease - http://www.lyme.ws/300-health-condit...-lyme-disease/

Al.

[Snusdog]

TOOOOOMMMMM!!!!

Good to see ya mate....glad all is well and the band is still kicking.......I hope you will pop in more often

now as far as this debate goes

I believe aliens created Sgreger and precious..............but God made everyone else.................

[precious007]

TOOOOOMMMMM!!!!

Good to see ya mate....glad all is well and the band is still kicking.......I hope you will pop in more often

now as far as this debate goes

I believe aliens created Sgreger and precious..............but God made everyone else.................

yes but we're good aliens

Lmao

[Roo]

Here's a list of 300 diseases that CAN be Lyme Disease - http://www.lyme.ws/300-health-condit...-lyme-disease/

Al.

Sorry brother but I find that link to stink badly of horse shit. Name 1 condition, without looking at the list again, that is NOT on the list. All those things could be a sign of lyme disease? I don't mean offense here but if you asked my opinion, which you didn't I realize, my honest and heartfelt advice to you would be to strongly consider the distinct possibility that you do Not have Lyme disease. I don't know you nor should I be judging your medical/mental state, but from what you have told us over time on this forum, I think this is a valid point: if you don't, you are guaranteed to convince yourself that you have Lyme disease. I think it would be far more productive to expend as much energy convincing yourself that you do not have Lyme disease.

The topic of your Lyme disease comes up in a lot of threads btw. What's up with that.

[precious007]

Sorry brother but I find that link to stink badly of horse shit. Name 1 condition, without looking at the list again, that is NOT on the list. All those things could be a sign of lyme disease? I don't mean offense here but if you asked my opinion, which you didn't I realize, my honest and heartfelt advice to you would be to strongly consider the distinct possibility that you do Not have Lyme disease. I don't know you nor should I be judging your medical/mental state, but from what you have told us over time on this forum, I think this is a valid point: if you don't, you are guaranteed to convince yourself that you have Lyme disease. I think it would be far more productive to expend as much energy convincing yourself that you do not have Lyme disease.

The topic of your Lyme disease comes up in a lot of threads btw. What's up with that.

Pardon me? Where did the Lyme Disease subject come up in so many threads?

Roo, I have numerous tests done at the moment I do have a diagnosis. So consider keeping your "non-sense" for yourself.

If you state something about medical research you ought to come up with valid proof otherwise it's considered false.

In numerous clinical trials, patients with Lyme Disease have been diagnosed with one or more of the conditions listed on that list. (there is a possibility of being Lyme Disease is different from "It is Lyme Disease".

It would take me ages to come up with proof and links to clinical trials - and I'm definitely not going to spend my energy convincing you, it's not my point here. But when it comes to Lyme Disease believe me I am in the position to speak, I believe you are not.

Attacking personas on forums and negative vibes from I am fed up with it and I will just ignore you

Thank you

[Roo]

Sorry Precious I was not trying to attack you and it did come across that way. My apologies. I just don't understand why the subject of any peculiar phenomena leads to you posting links about Lyme Disease. This is not the first time. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Peace.

Edit: I was also genuinely and inappropriately attempting to give you what I think is sound advice. If you spent as much time and effort believing you are without Lyme disease it might have a positive impact on your health. Since currently there is no way for you to get a positive diagnosis due to the tests being out of reach financially, I just thought some positive thinking might help. Never mind though. Not my place. Cheers.

[tom502]

Hi truthwolf and snusdog.... and all.

On the topic I am mostly influenced by Eastern spiritual philosophy, probably Advaita Vedanta mostly, which is a monistic view, popularized by Shankara. Advaita means "not two", and Vedanta means "conclusion of wisdom". It simply says that everything is God, or the Absolute, everything is One, in the sense that everything is of the same "stuff", but takes on forms, but these forms are "maya", which means "that which is not" in that they are not real, at best transitory, as the real essence is non-material and eternal. This is backed by science too, as we know everything is made of eternal energy, and nothing is ever added or subtracted, just rearranged. Yes we are often stuck with the word "God", as that's what's popular, but it can be called anything, like Brahman. In the Bhagavad Gita, the approach to "God" is through Self realization through the Atman, or Jiva, or "soul" realization, or centralizing the all pervasive aspect into a diety, which represents the all pervasive but allows humans to form a connection with, this is called Bhagavan, in the Sanatan Dharma approach that's like Krishna, or Vishnu, Shankara's system used 8 forms, if memory serves, but it is also unlimited, these are also often used in Bhakti Yoga, and the dvaita of dualist paths, such as Ramanuja, or Chaitainya, then the formless aspect called Brahman, which the sages seeks immersion of identity with, realizing a Nirvakalpa Samhadi, not sure I spelled that right, but like a Nirvana enlightenment. It is our own subjective consciousness that is the symptom of our soul or God in us as us, that is not the body or mind, which is maya. I'd recommend reading the Bhagavad Gita, it's not long, and to me, it makes logical sense, the ancient Indian people really put a lot of effort into being philosophically sound, with various schools debating each other and all.

[BadAxe]

I don't understand when poeple say "Religion is man made, but god is real"? Where does this come from? god is as man made as religion is, and there has never been one little tiny piece of evidence of any god existing. I can't believe when people look back at history, and see all of the different gods that have been worshiped, how each god fits each culture, and yet still proclaim to know god is real, and even better, that everyone else's gods are not real, but theirs is the real one.

When will man just catch up to the present and realize god was an answer when there were no answers, and that the blanket answers that keep people ignorant (God has a plan, faith, free will) are just people making up answers so they can say they have an answer. None of those "answers" make a bit of sense. I was raised Catholic, but realized when i could think for myself how ridiculous the notion of the invisible man watching us actually is, and that there are scientific answers for things now that used to be answered with "god". We will be so much better a people if we could ever just eradicate religion and the notion of god. Spirituality I believe ties in with our connection to our planet, not to any god, or supreme creator. The belief in god just holds human beings back, and keeps us ignorant, and not seeking true answers. But people will still to this day, die to hold on to that ignornance. I just can't believe pople would rather live in the world we live in, and hang on to the ignorant beliefs in god, rather than evolving as a species by coming to gether as a species, and making this planet something much better than it is.

[sgreger1]

Hey sgreg,

Told, you I am on with your on the chakras.

But I still do believe the soul exists even if science hasn't been able to bring a solid proof yet. (no it doesn't have eyes and it can't see, scientifically speaking, but there's more in this world than just material (science). Some people even put LOVE into discussion as a sentiment on a few boards, and some say that love is in fact just a reproduction instinct in humans just as in animals.

I am a lot on the scientific side of things, but I DO believe there is a soul, a radiating aura that surrounds your body (the invisible energy that flows through your body) that is what makes up your soul. Once your body dies, this energy remains in the Universe (at least this is a concept I've believed to be true).

Some say that in OBD and sleep paralysis the souls leaves the body but it's still connected through and energetic "like wire" (a conception) that is why you are able to see things from above.

As I said, there is just much more that science hasn't been able to demonstrate yet. (or as in the medical field, many know the answer to so many questions, but they don't want to reveal the truth to the general public, purely because they have financial interests for their innovations and findings).

Precious, you are entitled to your beliefs, I guess I am just trying to find out why you would believe something for which no evidence exists, and is something that has been repeatedly disproven? I mean if we have a simple explanation for why you have halucinations while in a sleep state, why would you automatically assume that it's really some magic eternal energy that allows our "soul" to float above us. You can't just say that science hasn't figured it out yet, science only makes claims about what it can or can't prove. You are saying something exists, with no proof, other than your personal subjective experience which as we all know is not realiable, the human mind is built around tricking the operator so you can't trust it all the time. Even if halucinations look real, realize that they are not.