Old Communists Here?

[sgreger1]

One example: the ongoing problem in my Commie country was lack of people for most professions. Companies, schools, etc. headhunted for people most of the time. They begged you to work, and I mean it. It was so common that it served as a plot for a movie comedy: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0174442/

Now, in Capitalism, most people have to beg for work. They have to swallow a lot of pride (and honor) to be able to feed their families.

False, most people do not have to "beg" for work here. If you are a qualified individual than you interview and compete against other similarly qualified individuals. There are many applicants for any given job so sometimes you don't get the job. But it is all voluntary, and we'll even pay you if you dont' work so that you dont' starve. I just don't see how waking up in the moring and going to a career of your choice is viewed by you as some sort of oppression that takes away ones honor.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

false compare to situation now in your country Sgreger 1 but totally true compare to Soviet block , 100% 10 years education and 100% work , even in Sweden where is very very high standard of living we have people who do not work , I belive that in US that number is much higher of unenployments

[sgreger1]

false compare to situation now in your country Sgreger 1 but totally true compare to Soviet block , 100% 10 years education and 100% work , even in Sweden where is very very high standard of living we have people who do not work , I belive that in US that number is much higher of unenployments

We have higher unemployment for a variety of reasons. Normally our unemployment is very low, but the whole financial chrisis has us down. See here, unlike the soviet block, the government can not force or even compel you to work. Millions of people stay home and collect a check while not having to work. Sometimes they are on disability, some are on welfare, some are on TTD from a workplace injury, some are just drug dealers or homeless. Even in many countries like I believe sweden and denmark, you can only collect unemployment money if there is no work, and the gov will help you find jobs. If you turn down the job than no more free money. Here, you get free money forever, so there is a sizeable amount of our population who chooses not to work. That's mainly why the numbers are so high.

Recently however due to the global recession it is becoming harder to find employment if you are not qualified (like for example a student fresh out of college). I have a GED (I didn't graduate high school), and I have never been unemployed in my life since the age of 16. I certainly never gave up my honor or begged anyone, I just worked hard and started at the bottom. My wife on the other hand was an A student who worked her ass off in college and got a job in her field a week after graduating, was then promoted to supervisor in less than a year, and is now about to complete a masters so she can go into the healthcare industry instead where the starting pay is $115,000+. In fact, not a single person in my family nor in my extended family ever had to give up their honor or BEG anyone for a job. My wife's mother came here from the philipines with no money and lived with an abusive husband who eventually tried to kill her. She escaped to a shelter and saved her money cleaning hotel rooms for many years, then opened a small restaurant in san francisco (I mean like only 2 tables, that's how small). Now she makes a LOT of money and her extended family came and started their own businesses too after working for her for a while.

In the above story I do not see a broken country where everyone must give up their honor and beg for a job, rather I see a place where you either make it big or end up poor, depending on how hard you work and the choices you make. A place where one can keep their dignity and honor and create their own path instead of having a totalitarian soviet government force you into one job or another for a small sum of money. It is not my country who stood in bread lines in the 50's & 60's hoping that there was something on the shelves of the stores, rather we were a booming economy driven by people who knew nothing in life was free and that they would have to wake up each morning and earn it or else they would starve.

That is what we here call character. Having the government force everyone to work just so you can say "oh look, 0% unemployment over here in soviet block!" is a bad way of bringing prosperity. Playing off people's desire to recieve for themselves, as capitalism does, is what brings prosperity, as can be seen now. For a country of our size, the vast majority still live amazingly well compared to many other countries. I love europe and the netherlands/sweden etc, but for people on this forum to be claiming that the soviet era world was in any way better as an economic model are out of their minds. Yes, families were closer together in the soviet side while America was simultaneously inventing the "nuclear family" where everyone grows apart and everyone lives seperate and people stop talking to their parents after they get married etc, but aside from that cultural benefit, I see very little good in what the soviet way of life did to people.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Sgreger in Soviet most People could afford black caviar and vacation 2 times a year and you would not see anyone for bagging money on the street you saying totally wrong about bread ques in 50 and 60 it is wrong , if you would say under Mother F*** Gorbachov time I would agree if you would say under the war I would agree , but not In 50 and 60 , I am proud of that country and I am product of that country no one forced my father to wark or my mother , the point is that you will never understand what I am talking about just becose it is Dificult to explain to a person who never lived there , as much as you proud at list the same I am proud from where I got my Education and values

[sgreger1]

Sgreger in Soviet most People could afford black caviar and vacation 2 times a year and you would not see anyone for bagging money on the street you saying totally wrong about bread ques in 50 and 60 it is wrong , if you would say under Mother F*** Gorbachov time I would agree if you would say under the war I would agree , but not In 50 and 60 , I am proud of that country and I am product of that country no one forced my father to wark or my mother , the point is that you will never understand what I am talking about just becose it is Dificult to explain to a person who never lived there , as much as you proud at list the same I am proud from where I got my Education and values

I can afford black caviar and vacation twice a year too and i'm 26 with no high school education. What is your point GN? People only beg for money on the street here if they are bums, usually they are either drug addicts or have mental illness which has left them homeless. The other 90% are scammers. In San Francisco you can make upwards of $50-60 a day just asking for money any given corner.

I wasn't even trying to get dragged into the whole "who is better country" debate, I was just responding to another poster who claimed that moving to America made them feel like they gave up their honor for hamburgers due to capitalism. They said that they gave up their honor because they had to work every day. So now you are saying that no one forced your mother or father to work, so did they too give up their honor like this poster claims? No of course not, people all over the world work to feed their family, that is what everyone does everywhere, I was saying I don't understand how it's somehow bad when you do this under capitalism.


Edit: And as far as the breadlines and the timeline of 50-60's you are correct, pardon my ignorance. I am not, nor do I claim to be particularly educated on soviet history. What I do know is that the soviet union was a lot of different places over a large period of time, and just like with anything of that type you get some bad and some good, just like america. So some places there were bread lines or food shortages and evil commie rulers etc, just like how in America there are racist shitholes out in the woods with backwards laws andyet there are also educated people in the big cities with completely different laws, as though they were different countries with different cultures etc. The soviet union was like that in that there were good and bad parts. I hope you came from one of the good parts GN and I didn't mean to say you shouldn't be proud or anything because that is silly, everyone should always be proud of where they were born and raised. But this whole concept that America is capitalist and that it's some terrible place to live just does not jive with me and I don't understand how some posters seem to think that. America isn't even a truly capitalist country any more than todays china is a communist country.

[truthwolf1]

We have higher unemployment for a variety of reasons. Normally our unemployment is very low, but the whole financial chrisis has us down. See here, unlike the soviet block, the government can not force or even compel you to work. Millions of people stay home and collect a check while not having to work. Sometimes they are on disability, some are on welfare, some are on TTD from a workplace injury, some are just drug dealers or homeless. Even in many countries like I believe sweden and denmark, you can only collect unemployment money if there is no work, and the gov will help you find jobs. If you turn down the job than no more free money. Here, you get free money forever, so there is a sizeable amount of our population who chooses not to work. That's mainly why the numbers are so high.

Recently however due to the global recession it is becoming harder to find employment if you are not qualified (like for example a student fresh out of college). I have a GED (I didn't graduate high school), and I have never been unemployed in my life since the age of 16. I certainly never gave up my honor or begged anyone, I just worked hard and started at the bottom. My wife on the other hand was an A student who worked her ass off in college and got a job in her field a week after graduating, was then promoted to supervisor in less than a year, and is now about to complete a masters so she can go into the healthcare industry instead where the starting pay is $115,000+. In fact, not a single person in my family nor in my extended family ever had to give up their honor or BEG anyone for a job. My wife's mother came here from the philipines with no money and lived with an abusive husband who eventually tried to kill her. She escaped to a shelter and saved her money cleaning hotel rooms for many years, then opened a small restaurant in san francisco (I mean like only 2 tables, that's how small). Now she makes a LOT of money and her extended family came and started their own businesses too after working for her for a while.

In the above story I do not see a broken country where everyone must give up their honor and beg for a job, rather I see a place where you either make it big or end up poor, depending on how hard you work and the choices you make. A place where one can keep their dignity and honor and create their own path instead of having a totalitarian soviet government force you into one job or another for a small sum of money. It is not my country who stood in bread lines in the 50's & 60's hoping that there was something on the shelves of the stores, rather we were a booming economy driven by people who knew nothing in life was free and that they would have to wake up each morning and earn it or else they would starve.

That is what we here call character. Having the government force everyone to work just so you can say "oh look, 0% unemployment over here in soviet block!" is a bad way of bringing prosperity. Playing off people's desire to recieve for themselves, as capitalism does, is what brings prosperity, as can be seen now. For a country of our size, the vast majority still live amazingly well compared to many other countries. I love europe and the netherlands/sweden etc, but for people on this forum to be claiming that the soviet era world was in any way better as an economic model are out of their minds. Yes, families were closer together in the soviet side while America was simultaneously inventing the "nuclear family" where everyone grows apart and everyone lives seperate and people stop talking to their parents after they get married etc, but aside from that cultural benefit, I see very little good in what the soviet way of life did to people.

Wow! great post. That is one of the great things about Capitalism in that you have to put in the time, blood, sweat and tears.. and it does pay off in the end. I will admit that I have taken a somewhat easy path and have done very okay because of a great family etc.. (generation x with a work ethic and hand me downs).. but I have seen friends come over from Europe and use our system in ways that gets them to a almost equal level financially with only a handful of years with hard work.

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Neither I compare brother I just want to say that security in terms of people was top notch that's it , there was no racism , hate of other etnical group or religion hate , just belive me I am not talking about freedom of belive , by freedoms it wos very very strikt country to level of idiocy ... On example I had Crown tape player I was 8 years and I loved to listen Kiss FM from Miami in Havana and I recorded Duran Duran song "Hungri like a wolf " song and I said to my friend who was playing on the garden " hej Vladimir I recorded American group Duran Duran ( I did not know they where English) next day my father was called to Soviet Enbassy in Cuba and Thay inform him that his 8 years old Sun tolked about imperialistiik song on the balcony shouting to his friend that level of idiocy was it , but security worlds best

[wa3zrm]

Your lucky they didn't toss your ass in the gulag when you got back home

Neither I compare brother I just want to say that security in terms of people was top notch that's it , there was no racism , hate of other etnical group or religion hate , just belive me I am not talking about freedom of belive , by freedoms it wos very very strikt country to level of idiocy ... On example I had Crown tape player I was 8 years and I loved to listen Kiss FM from Miami in Havana and I recorded Duran Duran song "Hungri like a wolf " song and I said to my friend who was playing on the garden " hej Vladimir I recorded American group Duran Duran ( I did not know they where English) next day my father was called to Soviet Enbassy in Cuba and Thay inform him that his 8 years old Sun tolked about imperialistiik song on the balcony shouting to his friend that level of idiocy was it , but security worlds best

[wa3zrm]

Top Soviet-bloc defector: Marxism infecting U.S.

Yes, we won the Cold War, but unlike other wars the Cold War did not end with an act of surrender and with the defeated enemy throwing down his weapons. But no, we are not fighting Marxism in our country, because the American people have not yet been warned that their country is being contaminated by Marxism. ...

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[sgreger1]

" hej Vladimir I recorded American group Duran Duran ( I did not know they where English) next day my father was called to Soviet Enbassy in Cuba and Thay inform him that his 8 years old Sun tolked about imperialistiik song on the balcony shouting to his friend that level of idiocy was it , but security worlds best

LOLLOLOLOL, now that is funny GN. What did you dad do? Did he get pissed at you or was he just like "stop yelling so loud about things like that so as not to waste my time any further".

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

nothing just may be first time I understand that soul and mind is not in harmony

[sgreger1]

I almost couldn't imagine a world where the government called my dad to the embassy to say I was talking about un-capitalist ideas or listening to commie music or something. I just can't fathom what that level of government intervention would be like. I'm sure it wouldn't seem odd if you were born that way, just like many things in america seem nowmal to me but I am sure they seem wacky to someone from another country. It's amazing how different life can be from region to region.

[Crow]

Capitalism not only drives effort and determination, it drives innovation.

If the entire world was under communist rule, we would not have the technology that we know and love today.

[Roo]

Capitalism not only drives effort and determination, it drives innovation.

If the entire world was under communist rule, we would not have the technology that we know and love today.

You are forgetting Sputnik, my friend.

[sgreger1]

You are forgetting Sputnik, my friend.

Sputnik was okay, but again we see that more innovation came from the "capitalist" united states during that period. While communism accomplished some firsts in space exploration, we were still the first man to walk on the moon and to not go insolvent as a union. We do not forget the contributions to mathematics and science that the muslim world gave us, but we must also realize that the modern capitalist US/Europe has given much larger and more significant contributions.