Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia

[Frosted]

Here are some more recent stats based on state, and they are a lot higher.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...crime-us-state

All this tells me is we need MORE guns in the hands of normal citizens, because no matter how you ban or control then guns, the criminals are not giving them up (especially with Mexico at our border and all the guns south of the border). The only possible hope we have is to make sure everyone is armed, and more importantly, trained. Once everyone is trained and ready to defend themselves, gun violence will drop (as most criminals are not trained and will lose).

I was surprised by how low the firearms murders were but the other figures are uncomfortably high.

[CoderGuy]

I was surprised by how low the firearms murders were but the other figures are uncomfortably high.

True, the murders are down but the assaults and robberies are very high. In all cases, a properly trained person with a concealed carry permit (or in the case of home invasion just having one at the ready) would bring those numbers down significantly.

[Frosted]

Coder - I don't think it's as simple as that. When rounds start going off things get very messy. I remember that video of police officers entering a house and shooting a dog while a child was standing about a metre away. First shooting rounds off in enclosed spaces, and secondly with children in close proximity just about blew my tiny mind. Luckily everybody was alright in that situation apart from the dog, but that came across to me as to how casual the use of a firearm is in the US. If law enforcement officers are capable of that wtf are the general population capable of? Gives me the willies the whole thing lol.

I realise that the right to hold a personal weapon is a cherished right to citizens of the US and I want the Americans of this forum to understand that I'm just giving a different perspective from a different part of the world.

[Ansel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19138754

[Premium Parrots]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19138754

I'ts quite possible that was all planned by the government also. Its also quite possible that it won't stop till they take all our guns away.


carry on

[Frosted]

Another thing I get strongly from my brothers across the water is that the enemy is the State. Now I dislike our own governments over here, all the parties are very similar but I couldn't imagine them doing something like that PP. Mind you, I've always thought that Diana's death was extremely peculiar so who knows.

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Another thing I get strongly from my brothers across the water is that the enemy is the State. Now I dislike our own governments over here, all the parties are very similar but I couldn't imagine them doing something like that PP. Mind you, I've always thought that Diana's death was extremely peculiar so who knows.

The CIA can do whatever they want and get away with it or have it covered up. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

There are numerous extreme groups that think the goovernment is behind everything. Personally, I'm starting to believe that, in some cases, they may be correct. Just take the JFK assination for example. Who the **** really knows what happened. Everybody has a different spin on things. I have learned to always be somewhat suspicious of what we learn newswise.

Now I probably wouldn't feel this way but about 12/15 years ago the black helicopters and the guys heavily armed and dressed in black invaded Puerto rico neighborhoods and went house to house collecting guns and other weapons. It was shown live at about 5:00 am on CNN. Then all of a sudden there was no coverage at all whatsoever after that first airing. Gob'ment didn' want that info out. That was just a practice run.

Along with that I know and trust a retired military tactical guy that was hired by the gob'ment to teach our military how to engage and hold regular US neighborhoods. Including rounding up all the weapons and not destroying the buildings. Back then that was a very different way than they usually trained.........like blowing up the entire village then going in.

[Crow]

Another thing I get strongly from my brothers across the water is that the enemy is the State. Now I dislike our own governments over here, all the parties are very similar but I couldn't imagine them doing something like that PP. Mind you, I've always thought that Diana's death was extremely peculiar so who knows.

It depends who you talk to. I don't hold that ideology.

However, you never know what will happen as time goes on. That is why we have the second amendment. Think of it as a power check (as intended by our forefathers).

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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PP, why did you get rid of the pig puppet? I enjoyed it.

[Joe234]

Alzheimer's

[Joe234]

Where are you getting that from? It sounds like more paranoid neocon statements.

More paranoid BS from the right wing nut jobs. They say it about every Democrat.
Remember what they said about Clinton and the assault weapons ban?

[Premium Parrots]

lol, that old pig will be back. I just thought I'd install an subliminal aromatic device in my siggy.

The smells of bacon, cigar, lipstick, tatoo ink, Jack Daniels and fish at all represented here.

can you feel the love?

[Joe234]

GoVegan I hear you man i'm just as disinfranchised as I think everyone else is. I don't think Obama is any different from the rest, I mean he doesn't care about (nor does he have any control over) how expensive groceries or gas are, but Romney is very clearly the larger stooge in this years election. I mean his tax plan is to raise taxes on the middle class while lowering it on the wealthy, are you insane? On barackobama.com there is even a funny tax calculator where you can compare the difference in your taxes based on Romney's budget and Obama's (Hint, Romney's costs the average middle class american $2k more per year in taxes). The fact that someone like Obama has a better proposed tax policy than a republican, who should be fighting for lower taxes for ALL, is sickening in my opinion. Raising taxes on the middle class is probably the worst thing I could think of doing in a recession, where we are trying to stimulate demand.



I spent last weekend at a national park and drove in with and fired off my weapon, concealed at times, without a bother in the world. In fact the ranger came by shortly after we got done randomly shooting off guns in the forest and asked that we please keep a closer proximity to our fire, lest it go unattended and cause some sort of dangerous situation. Then he drove on his merry way, not even a mention of that fact that we were shooting guns openly at our campsite. Where I live the SWAT team would have showed up and killed everyone in our house for even letting off one round in their presence. That is not an exaggeration, Google how many Californians are killed in their homes over such petty offenses as owning a firearm.

This video makes me sick though, seeing the freedom of the Australians being taken and watching that many assault weapons being melted down. I literally had a 1700's moment and wanted to retaliate against the government after watching it. Only an oppressive fascist regime would do such a thing, but I know most of our European friends here are okay with totalitarian governments getting rid of guns for their own protection. Despite the fact that crime rates have risen, they will no doubt go on to speak about how crazy it is that Americans are allowed to have guns. Anyone who is against personal gun ownership is crazy IMO. I know it's against the European way of doing things, but the idea of not being allowed to legally defend yourself against someone trying to take your life is just preposterous to me, if the US government ever did this on a large scale (which could never happen because we aren't so quick to give up our guns), than I would imagine there would be a lot less interviews and videos like this, and a lot more dead cops. Just my 2 cents.

Also I'd like to take a moment and say please join the NRA, they are in many ways another group who is too powerful, but they are one of the few organizations that actively lobby for our 2nd amendment rights. Costs like $40 a year. Please support them.

Edit: Also I love both videos above me. I just don't understand the mind of someone who wants women and children to be raped and killed, helpless and unable to defend themselves. Anyone who is pro-gun control is a criminal themselves IMO, crazy whacko criminals who are pro-violence and against freedom. Maybe I'm just a whacko American but as not proud of my country as I am at the moment, I am proud for the fact that this very basic freedom of defending one's self hasn't been taken away yet (though I know it will come eventually). Frankly, once they begin taking the guns than the revolution is on IMO. If it ever happens in America I hope we go down in a bloody firefight against the government rather than calmly giving up our weapons like the pussy Europeans. No offense, as I know most of you Europeans weren't there when they took your freedoms away long ago, but here in America we have a few principles we stick by and this is one of them.

Clap trap

F*** the NRA

They are the largest big money lobby in Washington.
They hardly need money.

Donate your $40 to the victims of gun violence

thank you

[Crow]

lol, that old pig will be back. I just thought I'd install an subliminal aromatic device in my siggy.

The smells of bacon, cigar, lipstick, tatoo ink, Jack Daniels and fish at all represented here.

can you feel the love?

Fish? Ohhhhhh............. That's messed up, PP!

[CoderGuy]

Coder - I don't think it's as simple as that. When rounds start going off things get very messy. I remember that video of police officers entering a house and shooting a dog while a child was standing about a metre away. First shooting rounds off in enclosed spaces, and secondly with children in close proximity just about blew my tiny mind. Luckily everybody was alright in that situation apart from the dog, but that came across to me as to how casual the use of a firearm is in the US. If law enforcement officers are capable of that wtf are the general population capable of? Gives me the willies the whole thing lol.

I realise that the right to hold a personal weapon is a cherished right to citizens of the US and I want the Americans of this forum to understand that I'm just giving a different perspective from a different part of the world.

I believe that is how the thread began, getting a different perspective from another part of the world.

I don't think it's completely fair to compare a group of adrenaline pumped law enforcement entering a home of a suspected criminal to a home owner defending themselves when a group of adrenaline pumped criminals break in to do harm. The whole point I was making was those home invasions (or things they can't define in Australia), happen all the time here. Whether they are carrying guns, or knives, or axes, doesn't matter, they happen, and innocent people die. As the economy worsens, they will happen more frequently. The anti-gun people will die, feeling good about the fact that they kept firearms out of their homes, others, like myself, will be alive to have a bloody mess to clean up and hope the word gets around not to try and invade my home again.

Edit: I realize my position sounds a little harsh, but I have a relative that was the victim of a home invasion / assault and was lucky to escape with her life, but it scarred her permanently. While she was never really anti-gun, she always stated she felt they were unnecessary. She no longer feels that way and is prepared now, and swears that will never happen to her again.

[Crow]

Clap trap

F*** the NRA

They are the largest big money lobby in Washington.
They hardly need money.

Donate your $40 to the victims of gun violence

thank you

Donate $20 to victims of gun violence, donate the other $20 to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Then, donate your medicinal flowers to me. Swedish woman or beautiful redhead are suitable substitutions.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.